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No body like John Garang any more


Brothers, who will not agree again that Garang Mabior is a dictator which make him the no one problem of south Sudan? Read this minutes for yourself.


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CONFIDENTIAL REPORT ON THE

Joint meeting of the SPLM/A leadership Council,
General Military Command Council,
Heads of Commissions, SPLM Secretariats,
SPLM County Secretaries, Civil Society & Community Leaders.

RUMBEK 29TH OF NOVEMBER TO 1ST OF DECEMBER 2004

DAY 1 Opening Prayer: Rev. Clement Janda
Introduction: Cdr. Dr. Riek Machar
Briefing: Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit

Introduction

Cdr. Dr. Riek Machar Thanked Cdr. Mark Nyipuoch, Cdr. Dr. John Garang and the other participants and announced the beginning of the meeting, which had been ordered by the Chairman. The first part of the meeting comprised of the leadership council, the Secretariats, and the members of the General Staff. The second part was composed of the members of IGAD team, and the Commissioners and Secretaries of the SPLM.

In the opening of the meeting the Chairman Cdr. Dr. John Garang, thanked members of the SPLM/A national leadership Council and welcomed all the participants who traveled to Rumbek. ‘I thank you in the name of the Almighty God. To begin with I wrote two messages:

One on 14/11/004 (No. 001/11/004) to address the following accusations/rumours;
• That there was a meeting held in Nairobi under the Chairmanship of myself where Cdr. Salva Kiir would be replaced by the Chairman with Cdr. Nhial Deng.
• That I went to Kampala and met with Cdr. Pieng and ordered him to arrest Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit.
• That Cdr. Malual Majok went to Ramciel to collect forces to go and arrest Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit at Yei.

They are all lies and a big propaganda initiative.

The second message was on 23/11/04 calling for this meeting which we are now convening today and where I want to make a general briefing about the signing of peace next month in which each and every one should be informed accordingly.

Cdr. Machar then welcomed Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit to brief the national leadership meeting where he welcomed the Chairman and C-in-C and the national leadership. ‘I confirm the two messages read to you by the Chairman are all true. The rumours came from Nairobi and around the leadership of the SPLM/A. The second message I got was through Cdr. Pagan Amum who was visiting the liberated areas with friends from friendly countries. I requested Cdr. Mabior Kuer to ask the HQs why I am not talking directly to the Chairman. I spoke to the Chairman when he was in Kampala and he told me that I should meet him in Yirol, which I didn’t reply to in the light of the rumours.

The rumours implied that I will be arrested at Ramciel where the Chairman was, so I decided not to go. When I received that rumour, I called the security personnel in Yei and discussed the issue in length with them. I also informed them to find out where the sources of the rumours from Nairobi were coming from, which they did.

After I spoke with the Chairman, I also met Cdr. Pieng in Yei for the whole day and he was advising me to join the Chairman in Yirol, which I refused. After that I met Cdr. Kuol Manyang and Cdr. Deng Alor. They came from Nairobi with information that I should go to Nairobi for reconciliation between the two of us. I considered the word reconciliation as something very serious, and therefore decided to tell them that I will not go to Nairobi. The HQs of the Chairman complained that they were calling me and that if I recognized their number, I would switch off the telephone. That is not true; I never received any call from them and switch off my telephone.

I assure you that the allegation that I am against peace is not true. I am really for peace so that the International Community could rescue our suffering people. People of Bahr El Ghazal have suffered too much from repeated famine and from the Arab militias – and for these reasons I am the first to embrace peace to relief them from suffering. Peace efforts such as the Wunlit Peace Conference have up to date ceased hostilities between Western Upper Nile and Bahr El Ghazal; and that is good. So I need peace. There are those who want to create confusion in the Movement and fabricate such things. I don’t have personal problem with the Chairman.

If we are National Leaders, which I don’t believe we are because we have no cohesion within our leadership structure, let us be sincere with ourselves. After meetings are concluded, we run to foreign countries. There is no code of conduct to guide the Movement’s structures. When the Chairman leaves for abroad, no directives are left and no one is left to act on his behalf. I don’t know with whom the Movement is left with; or does he carry it in his own brief case?

The Chairman killed the national Executive Council (NEC) by creating the leadership Council. But there is no provision in the Convention for a ‘Leadership Council’. Does he want to revive the Political Military High Command? The Leadership Council creates a situation where all are directly reporting to the Chairman – including SPLM County Secretaries. When I mentioned these facts, they should not be construed to be my personal or family problems. Those around the Chairman don’t tell him the opinion of the public. The Chairman is everything, from a finance officer to one at the lowest level.

Corruption, as a result of the lack of structures, has created a lack of accountability which has reached a proportion that will be difficult to eradicate.

In fact, there are many outstanding administrative problems that require our attention. These include the infrequent converting of conferences at the leadership level, causing an absence in the SPLA/M chain of command and making others to directly communicate with the Chairman without following the right procedures. This should be corrected. If the responsibility of Governors goes directly to the Chairman, what will be the work of Cdr. Daniel Awet? I hope Cdr. Daniel Awet will address all those things. The Chairman should not make appointments of SPLM County Secretaries; it is the work of the Governors.

The other issue I would like Comrade Chairman to address is how the CANS structures are now operating, e.g., take the absence of the SPLM Regional Secretary for Bahr El Gazal from his area of responsibility while there has been sporadic tribal feuds within the region – and which has resulted into sectional conflict. The Chairman most of the time send Cdr. Deng Alor on foreign missions which were supposed to be the work of Cdr. Nhial Deng.

There are several other administrative issues that require correction. We are three Deputies without functions. The Chairman is responsible for all systems including the Army General Headquarters. Our HQs. started in Yei, then Rumbek, then new Cush and now Ramciel. When are we going to establish our HQs? The deputies of the General Staff are the ones commanding the forces; they should stay in the General Headquarters instead of commanding. Yet the Chairman is the one who dismantled the General Headquarters. Comrade Chairman, the establishment of the General headquarters hasn’t been fulfilled and this I have been requesting ever since Yei was liberated. Branch officers such as the Director of Military Intelligence and his deputy are now in your Headquarters, though they are supposed to remain at the General Headquarters. The Chairman concentrates on his headquarters forgetting the rest of the army. It is only his headquarters, which has military uniforms, boots and other supplies.

Our present situation requires us to be organized and prepared. If peace is signed, the question is; what have we done in training our military cadres so that they meet the standard of their counterparts in the integrated army. There are rumours that the Chairman had already selected by name those Commanders who would command the Joint Integrated Army. What about the rest of the army and who will pay them? The Chairman seems to have taken the Movement as his own property. As we leave Rumbek after this meeting, I would like to see that all our administrative issues be addressed and implemented following this meeting’s resolutions.

I would also want Comrade Chairman to give me full powers of the Chief of the General Staff (COGS) to enable me expedite the regrouping and reorganization of the SPLA, and if Comrade Chairman sees that I am not able to do that job, then he can appoint another person to do it.

The Chairman is to be 1st Vice-President of the Sudan and the head of the Government of Southern Sudan, but he is not talking to Southerners. The North is organizing southern militias so that we fight among ourselves. We must unite our own ranks and not just unity with the north. On a personal basis, I don’t have any problems with the Chairman but our working relationship is bad and leaves a lot to be desired.

I would also like to say something about rampant corruption in the Movement. At the moment some members of the Movement have formed private companies, bought houses and have huge bank accounts in foreign countries. I wonder what kind of system are we going to establish in South Sudan considering ourselves indulged in this respect.

2nd Session

 Response from the Chairman. I give the floor to the national leadership to comment on what had been said by Cdr. Salva Kiir, I don’t want this to be a debate between Cdr. Salva Kiir and I.

 Edward Lino thanked the Chairman and said we are really in need of resolving the problems within the SPLM/A. The people of Abyei are accused of being Dr. John’s supporters and as such, are victimized for that. Cdr. Pieng made an intervention that Cdr. Edward was not addressing the issues.

 Cdr. Elijah Malok stated he really supported what Cdr. Salva Kiir said, and recommended that a collective leadership be created. Here in Bahr El Ghazal Cdr. Deng Alor has been away for too long and these are known facts; the leadership council should address and resolve these outstanding issues and go back on the right track. Let us form committees to reorganize the army, since all the units are here. I don’t believe what Cdr. Mayardit said about the people being victimized. Structures are to be recognized right way as a government so let us reorganize them and work in the right way as a government.

 Dr. Justin Yac. I will go with the suggestion of Cdr. Pieng that the Chairman response to the issues raised by Cdr. Salva Kiir.

 Cdr./Dr. John Garang I will give my contribution to what has been raised; that firstly we need to dispose of rumours. In the whole of South Sudan, there is a general concern from the citizens, and in Yei, the officers and citizens believe there is a danger facing the Movement. We have to clear the danger and give our people assurances.

Cdr. Salva Kiir and I have been together in the movement for 22 years, and have been close friends, and we will continue that way. 22 years of friendship can’t be thrown away by rumours; Cdr. Salva will be with me now until the end of the interim period and beyond, and I will cite what was said when I visited Malual Kon and the “Luak” of the family of Cdr. Salva where I entered the house to show comradeship and a long cherished friendship. At a meeting while visiting there we were told, “You are the two orphans” left because the original members of the High Command died, both of us will carry on to bring peace.

I cited what happened at New Site recently when the Chiefs a ceremony where a bull was sacrificed to show how we are united. At the spiritual performance, one traditional leader said that 4 things will happen:-
1. The bull will urinate.
2. The bull will fall down.
3. The bull will face the North.
4. The bull will die without being slaughtered.

And all the four happened.

The allegation that I was going to dismiss Cdr. Salva and arrest him was not only a lie, but it did not even occur in my mind. I was preoccupied with the peace process and not trying to create a crisis. Before UN Security Council Meeting, I received a telephone call from President Bush who said that he now had those who will work with him during the next four years and that I am one of them. President Bush said, “John don’t let us down. We want peace before the end of the year”.

The allegation that I will be replacing Cdr. Salva was a bad lie. If Cdr. Salva was dismissed and replaced with Cdr. Nhial Deng Nhial, it would mean that I would have dismissed all those senior to Cdr. Nhial which includes Cdr. Riek, Cdr. James, Cdr. Daniel Awet, Cdr. Lual Diing, etc. – which would be bad for the Movement. So this allegation is a lie. The crisis only has the support of our enemies who want a crisis in the Movement. This situation was created by our enemies because they do not want to sign the peace agreement.

The Chairman pointed out that the GOS has never been happy with the protocols, specially the Machakos protocol, because of the self-determination clause. The GOS and their supporters don’t accept the security arrangement and the Wealth Sharing Agreement, which gives the South of Sudan 51%. The Khartoum Government wants to reject the agreement being signed or at least delay it. By delaying in signing, Khartoum will gain $2.5 billion from the oil revenues, which we must prevent by all means possible. Khartoum was unhappy with the Power Sharing and 3 areas protocols. Neither I nor Cdr. Salva had any interest in delaying the peace agreement. I have nothing to gain by dismissing Cdr. Salva.

Finally I have never had any thought of dismissing Cdr. Salva. And it should be considered a lie. This rumour has caused commotion everywhere in Southern Sudan, Khartoum and the Diaspora – so I will assure our people everywhere and send a strong message to Khartoum Government that they will not divide the SPLM/A.

Cdr. Salva and I are innocent of the situation, and four of our leaders will appear in a press conference telling the whole world about our unity and that there is no problem among SPLM/A members. Secondly, I want to assure you of my confidence in Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit. My relationship with Cdr. Salva goes back to 1983 – Cdr. Chagai Atem, Kerubino and many others were close to me. I still have personal relationship with Cdr. Salva and I trust and have confidence in him. This is needed now than ever before. I want Cdr. Salva to be around me during the interim period, and beyond.

The Government of Sudan called upon all the Newspapers to stop making allegations against the Movement. So let us put that issue to rest.

Secondly, Cdr. Salva said that I brought all the officers around me, leaving him alone in vacuum. What I can say is that is not true.

On internal reforms, I agree that reforms are necessary. We are all behind them. We have been making reforms since 1983, e.g., the Zonal Command, Political High Command, NLC, NEC, etc.. these structures can be changed but the objective remains the same. Our imperfect structures have brought us to the present day. Let us not throw away these structures now, otherwise we will throw ourselves away.

The Chairman urged the meeting to introduce changes slowly. He said he is for change but slow change. The Chairman reiterated that all SPLM/A members will be protected; he assured all members that no one will be left out. On the issue of new comers who are said to be taking over the Movement, he said we should accept all southerners new or old because there are more southerners than members of the SPLM/A who must be accommodated; but no newcomer will displace anyone who has been with us for years.

On the appointment of Governors; all Governors will be appointed from their respective areas, e.g. in Lakes the Governor here will come from Lakes. As for States, people of each State will form their governments with no marginalization within States.

As for the Government of Southern Sudan (GOSS), there will be representation based on the states, fairness and justice. Similarly at the Central Government, there will be State representation. All Governments, whether GOSS or State Governments will be based on modern standardized structures.

The army will be organized based on modern standards. The SPLM will be reorganized democratically. There will be a mult-party system. There will be no need for coup d’etat anymore, so for example my friend Dr. Riek Machar will not need to make a coup because he can form his own party if he is discontented with SPLM.

The issue now is how to achieve a Comprehensive Peace Agreement. After that, the 2nd national Convention will be convened as soon as possible after the peace agreement is signed. The NIF Government is not happy having to sign the agreement on or before 31st December 2004. The Government is not happy with the UN Security Council Resolution1574. The NIF want to create an armed group loyal to them. They also want to create a political group from among southerners to be used by them. We must stop such a move that will create enemies among Southerners to fight among themselves.

South-to-South dialogue must be organized properly, but the leadership has refused outside mediation. I told the European groups about our stand on this. The Power Sharing protocol states that the SPLM will form the Government in the South. The protocol give 15% to non-SPLM/A members and 15% to members of other parties. There will be discussions therefore with Southern parties.

On Civil Society, we need to dialogue with them including the Churches. On top of that, lawyers and other concerned members will write a constitution for Southern Sudan. There will be a constitution for states and the rule of law will be established.

Finally, regarding our vision and strategies; we must continue with our programmes because we are succeeding in the process. I reject the view that there are some of us who are unionists and others separatists within the SPLM/A. There are no such differences among our people. We are all for the unity of Southern people, and the Movement will carry out the referendum. As for members of the Khartoum National Government who have mutinied, there is a group calling themselves SPLM/A members. I told them that we want peace and we don’t want you to be SPLM/A now. I told the group to organize their own independent Movement, and not be associated with SPLM/A.

On the structures the only way to resolve it is through the national Convention, which should be convened as soon as possible.

3rd Session

 Cdr. Deng Monydit. Greeted everyone and praised the leaders for coming together. He stated his appreciation of the response given by the leadership; ‘I want to say I am happy to discuss what was about to be stolen from us, and it is not the concern of those in London. This struggle is not the private property of anybody. Whoever says the Movement is his property is wrong, for the movement is for all.

 Cdr. Garang Mobil. I thank the leaders. Since 1997 I decided to stay in my house because I did not believe that our problems should be solved by violence. Facts must be stated now in order to solve them once and for all. On the ‘orphans’ there six (6) members who died and only two (2) are left. The question I want to discuss today, is that there is a problem but the Chairman keeps saying there are no problems, only a ‘gap’ between him and Cdr. Salva. He will not accept there are problems in the New Sudan. But if the problem is not solved, there will be no peace. I also want to say that the movement is in the hands of a few and many are alienated. National resources must be shared by all, no matter how small it is. The structures are controlled by a few minority groups, and this must be sorted out now in Rumbek. This minority group is the problem; hand picking people must stop now because it is creating problems.

 Cdr. Agassio Akol. There is a problem because many people avoid Cdr. Salva as Deputy Chairman and Chief of the General Staff. The Governors and their deputies bypass Salva and correspond directly with the Chairman of the Movement, which I consider to be outside proper procedure. Cdr. Salva said that in his talks, he raised specific issues which he needed answers on. The Chairman must have failed to answer these issues, otherwise, the talks would have ended. Cdr. Salva said he did not blame anyone but the Chairman. He wanted the Chairman to tell him whether he was wrong or not. For example Cdr. Salva questioned the legitimacy of the leadership Council, as he considered it to be illegal.

The National Convention is unlikely to come soon to solve the problems of our structures; the convention has no importance for now. For Cdr. Salva, structures cannot be done by a Convention. So who is going to organize the army? {Cdr. Mark Nyipuoc intervened by saying a press conference should be made.}

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This is a very long one, continue reading the rest of it in sudan.net from the following link.

http://www.sudanforum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55073&sid=3339f03ff3eb0223531481d9b7dbd637


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Deng Santo


Thanks for forwarding to us this article. It is long but it worth reading because it contain essential information that would solve the question of saying that there are some people who doubt John Garang leadership for no apparent reasons. I hope the concrete evidences stated here will be understood by the readers and probably come up with frank judgement. I didn't believe how the chairman escapsed answering important issues addressed to him by CDR Salva kiir, for example who does he leave with the movement when he leaves for abroad?, Shifting the SPLA military headquarters to his own, taking control of the movement from finance to the lowest level, dealing with foreign missions with Deng Alor-the governor of BEG while this work is suppose to be for CDR Nhial Deng and many others in the article.


The worse thing a leader can do to his people is to refuse to admit the mistakes publicly.


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Garang proponents,


Could you come out to light and tell us how South Sudan would not move ahead with no ruthless tyrannical dictator (John Garang) in power?


I am here only to confront the dangerous tyrant's supporters.


Enough is enough! This is the voice of Spla/m and anybody that will attempt to condemn this move by commanders is the true enemy of Southerners' freedom of speech, equality, democracy, sovereignty of the people, stability, unity, national peace.


I can't write until they respond to this message.


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Those who are blind will see from now on. John Garang is the true enemy of southern people. He has made the movement his own property where all his old relatives like Malok Aleng are getting rich. I am waiting for those who have been telling us that garang mabior is a good leader. South Sudan will never be a better place until Garang is gone. He is worst than Mabutu or Sani Abasha from Nigeria. I am really happy with our brave commanders who decide to confront the dictator of Sudan. I will be back later, I am busy now.


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Dear all,


John Garang is caught in an inescapable quagmire. Anyway he made it and he must pay a huge prize for it. I appreciate the fact that commanders had stood with Salva Kiir. This is what we need to put South on a progressive motion. We must discern between truth and false. John Garang's political, military, and economic falsehood is finally brought to light by his closer colleagues, who have been on burning fire for two decades. His ambition to personalize and privatize the whole South is his personal property has been discovered and exposed.


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When I read this report two days a go both on Gurtong and Sudan net boards, I did not believe what I was reading. It was unbelieveable considering the leader most of us have taken John Garang to be. From this report, every living soul will realize that John Garang has miserably failed the people of southern Sudan. This simple fact was highlighted when commanders including his second man evaluated him and gave him a grade "F". It is too sad that one man would hijack people's aspiration and turn it into his personal private enterprise. What will those who have turned him into a scared being or rather into an eternal deity, going to say? I am too sad that a dictator like him would enslave the entire nation. This report marks the moment of truth in southern Sudan. It is clear now who doesn't want the unity of southern people. From the report, John Garang doesn't want people of southern Sudan to unite, because unity of southern people is his greatest fear. He wants to manipulate people who are disunited, so that he is able to play one group against the other more effectively. No, the man got it wrong, southerners are more wiser now than he thinks. I don't even know what to say, this is simply too much.


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Kuot Kuot, Deng Santo, and Bol Ajith,


I don't understand what kind of school taught John Garang, that the best way to keep your position and yourself richest is by killing your colleagues, by turning them against one another, by creating chaotic situation and incorrigible mess in the institution, by denying citizens opportunity to sort out their problems through dialogue, by turning one tribe against another tribe, by putting your relatives or siblings in top positions, and the worst of all by privatizing or personalizing the national body as a personal property and always lock it in your pocket whenever you want to. Who taught him this way? Those who appointed John Garang in the first place did a huge mistake though they are trying to rectify the situation.


This is quote from Salva Kiir. "There are those among us who are more dangerous than the enemy. Chairman, those who are misleading you and giving you false security information about us will suffer with you or leave with you."  The analysis made is that John Garang and his "kitchen cabinet members" are more dangerous than the enemy of Beshir, and thus they will either be disposed of or punished severely. I like the quote.


"Anybody who will attempt to oppress his fellow men will fail in process." By Alexis Tocqueville


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Dear Deng Santo,


Thanks for feeding us with these developments. Infact, that report is a reflection of what we had been saying all a long. I think sycophants will now begin to realize that John Garang and SPLM/A are two entities and putting them together is denying the existing of State Southern Sudan after John Garang is gone tomorrow.


South-South Dialogue that could provide context for Southern Sudanese unity had been made unpopular for Southern Sudanese to embrace it not knowing that the intents are to hold him in power. This is a man who had made a popular movement into his personal property.


Southern Sudanese cann't afford this man with repetitive speeches year by year and every occasions. This brilliant movement had been malfunctioned by his exclusive and divisive style of leadership.


Anyway, he is fit for six year interim period and not beyond.


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How many CDRS have dimissed Chairman's responses to what he was asked? How many have said the responses are insufficient or not convincing? Isn't that amazing? I think so. I can't even count how many they are. It looks like all the CDRS. That shows people are watching what he is doing and that is amazing. Anyhow, I hope he changed before it dawn on him because it looks like it is not gonna be pretty.

I think it is interesting he is finally being challenge by the people through the CDRS. As CDr. Salva said, he doesn't listen to the public, indeed he doesn't listen to the public and therefore can't lead those people. Anyway, I just got so excited with the article and you can tell my ideas are not organize.

Good job people. Keep sharing the information.

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Interesting! Sort of back and forth slash around here.


 



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Dear Deng Santo and all .


thank you for  information you brought up to feed us with .i'm very glad to have that information as evidence and weapoan for the coming future and,let those who tried to defend Garnag by saying, nothing happened just our enemies are behind this allegation find  this details. and we as a  poeple of fair heart to our land let's keep this record for the coming future to challenge southern sudan enemies  with thier  dirty record . 


who dug a hole for his brother fall in it  .  


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Uncleloi!


Could you write clearer statement so that the rest can undestand?


I mean to be unambiguous.


Peace


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Dear Aweilians,


     I am, like most of you on this board, glad to see the rift between Dr. John Garang and Salvia Kiir resolved peacefully and maturely.


     I was perturbed upon reading the minutes from SPLA/M’s Meeting at Rumbek. Many hot topics have been debated and exhausted. Junior commanders have even lectured Dr. Garang; that is democracy at its infancy.


     However, there was an openhearted lesson learned from this convention: that a change is but sure sweeping cross the southern Sudan. It creeps it as such. Mind you, folks, democracy doesn’t come with ululation or rather requiem. Days and time for dictatorship are numbered. No more one-man rule!


     In brief, everyone at this gathering, especially, Mr. Garang and his cronies must have arrived at the truth in the hard way. How about that?


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What A dictator!!!



All these years, the man was working for his own aspirations not a liberation of Southern people. The man we always proud and though to be hero is now vice versa. He is a betrayal to Southerners cause, so he deserve to leave and give the leadership to the sons of the South who belief and ready to listen to the problems of Southerners. Meth apeth must leave now, he is no good to the people of South



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Yai Deng,


You got it all said. I appreciate your stance with respect to the tyrant leadership enormous deficiencies. John Garang should give way to others lest the next six year period would be worse than this situation.


My sincere gratitude goes to brilliant, brave, responsible, and patriotic commanders for this outstanding performance. I appreciate their superb work.


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hi forks


"i am waiting for those who have been telling us that garang maboir is a good leader"


what would you do if find those who have been telling that you garang mabior is a good leader?


 the article has no proper source. it doesn't articulate the exact cause of dispute between garang and his fatboy kiir mayordit. i assume that this is propaganda, because  the article was posted on sudanforum.net discussion board by member who is dwelling here in USA and he never highlight is his source either.


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I think you have a little work to do here. You need to disapprove the facts outlined in the article. The facts that there is not creditable source listed is not sufficient for us to discredit the information because one can always request the source if there is a need for plus some of these things we possess at least in one way or the other.

If I understand you well, you are discrediting the article because you believe Garang is a good leader. Well, if this is your stance, then I think you need to read the article again and see for yourself the facts that are outlined and dispute them right here so that people can respond to you satisfactorily.

Let me just mention a few items from the article although I might not articulate them clearly because I actually don't have time to even look at my writing. Take for example when your Garang is abroad as mentioned in the article, who do you think is responsible while he is away? You obviously know from the article that the 1st vice president is not responsible nor the other vices. It was mentioned that Garang have nominated people that are related to him, you probably don't want me to mention them because I assume you know them or someone else would tell, to fill all the important positions in the SPLA. It was also mentioned that Garang and his partners have taken the resources for themselves; prove it wrong. It was mentioned that the 1st vices president do not have easy access to the president; prove it wrong. It was mentioned that he is the finance minister too. Interesting stuffs. It was mentioned that all the staffs report to him which I find ver odd and very akward since we have General Chief of Staff to report, we have governors, we have other key positions that all the staffs should report to and then from the bottom up to him.

Anyway, I am not gonna dwell on this because I think everything is clear and open. I think we should hope that he change his leadership style. I think the only way he is gonna change is if people tell him to and that is where the article comes in. People are telling him to change by telling him things that are not working. I think if you udnerstand well the spla at present, you will realize that it needs enormous changes for it to be able to accomodate all the diversity.

You are not helping him if you keep saying he is a good leader and he is doing everything the best way possible when he may not be. We need to say everything that is wrong however small that mistake may be. Then we are sure we are helping our "thought great leader". If you want your great leader to be there, tell him what he is doing wrong and let him change it or else we will be better off without him. In other words, he should go. He should not keep monopolizing the whole system. We have great leaders that I think can do a better job then he is doing.

A change is always better. Without a change, you will never see the other side or what we do not know. And it is always up to the people to decide the change and adapt it. We need to look at the system since we have come to a different level. SPLA was a rebel, now they are not. That is a a change and a nice change. We need to take a structure look at the system at the moment and change it to better keep up with the changes the peace accord have brought forth.

Have nice time and remember a change is always something to look for.

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Dear Awach Anei


I am optimistic, confident and sure that this article is not fake as you may think of it. This is the voice of southern sudan nation man. Don't discredit it. Times of tyranical leaders have been numbered and we saw good example from master dictator Saddam Hussen whom his actions are similar to John Garang. Please say your views about the article and don't dishonor the source.


May God bless southern sudan nation and reject the act of imperialism and dictatorship to its long oppressed people.


Peace


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"Times of tyranical leaders have been numbered and we saw good example from master dictator Saddam Hussen whom his actions are similar to John Garang"
“tyrannical!”, must be a new word for the 21st Century!.


Mayik Aher, I think there is a possibility of you becoming a person of your dream one day should you adopt (at your choosing) the culture of unbiased judgment for a
one-sided judgment gets voided by default by the audience of the truth; leave me aside if I don't look like one. 
Just an opinion!
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"Tyrannical" may be a new word to you in this century but not a new vacubulary to the people who use it because they know what it means and that is why they use it.


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Loathsome and vile totalitarian fit John Garang action, this guy rejected new ideas from his fellow commanders. I believ this era of changes in South Sudan is going to bring Garang to impartiality.


 


Awach Anei


There is something more you need to know about credibility of evil man. I believe the artical above has reliable source with pure evidence about John Garang action. don't stance with this guy brother, he is lacking values of humanity.


 



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When you are allowed to manage the entire movement for 22 years by people who call themselves leaders, would that make you less of a dictator. I would actually do more on my own tomorrow if I am not opposed or questioned by my colleagues. That is what happened. While the citizens ask Garang why he 'solely' ran the movement on his own whims, we can as well ask Salva and those below him where they have been for the last 22 years! Had the situation that led to Rumbek meeting not been spme rumour about life or death, we would probably have continued with the old style of leadership where Garang decides, and the rest keep quiet. The mess is not Garang's alone. Put it on them all.

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Hey bros


I have really enjoyed your postings here and I encourage you to continue with the same spirit. I am going to be a little bit different. Who is to be blame for Garang"s tyranny? All of us! I remember Aweilian called him Garang Abuk in the early 80s.By glorifying him don't you think you contributed in a way?


I strongly believe that dictators are made and I might have contributed to it in a way. Can we start by being honest to ourselves before moving to someone else.


Thanks for your concern,


Aruei. 



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Originally posted by: Aruei Bol
   "I am going to be a little bit different. Who is to be blame for Garang"s tyranny? All of us! I remember Aweilian called him Garang Abuk in the early 80s.By glorifying him don't you think you contributed in a way?" 


Dear Aruei Bol,


According to my understanding of what you posted here regarding the topic under discussion, you meant that Aweil people are to be blamed for Garang's tyranny. That is by calling him "Garang Abuk". Does giving him that name is the one driving him to all those messes in the movement? If so tell me.


Aruei, I can tell you that those who should take the blame upon their necks were your uncles, the advisors of Garang Mabior Atem Aruei. The people whom he has chosen as his legal advisors were misleading him. What my people were doing is to encouraging him to fight the Arabs  but not to fight his own southerners in the way he put the things. It is our responsibility, we Aweil people, to stand strongly behind the person who had stated his objectives clearly and he is willing to defend the right of S. Sudanese agains the Arabs intruders. But if you change your direction in the way you want, it is Lord Jesus who will love you but not us.


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