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Is the current peace talk unproductive?


Dear all,


I am just wondering about the peace talk between Spla/M and the dictatorial-trannical regime of NIF. Is the regime of NIF which is extremely notorious for its lethal tendencies and ethnic cleansing trying to develop some utopian strategies to fool Spla? Is it part of NIF regime deceptive game to deceive Spla/M while it is secretly continuing with its military preparations and sophistication? I can clearly discern that the previous optimism most of us (southerners) have is turning out to be frustrations and desperations. This delay can actually increase the level of anxiety of civilians who happened to subside to calmness after the peace was rumored to be at the door. It can be extremely psychologically detrimental to those who don't read and write and more importantly those who have no access to media, it can be shocking news to them.


The peace comprehensive agreement was expected to be shorter than the date we in, what happened, what is happening, and what will happen for that matter?


Garang-Mayik Aher



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   Hello mayiik


 How are feeling, you ask a very good question, there is business going on home boy between Garang,NIF, and UNITED NATION.Therefore, we do not have all blame on NIF only. what it meants is Garang still did not had the amount of money he prepose get, inorder to build a fance around BOR to proven (Morleeny) from attack.


On UN side, there is no hope from Ann and some others countries like China  and Arab world as whole. Media had try as much as they can to adds it on TV and newspapers, especial American and great Biristain media, but nothing  happen.


Garang, our skin color and being a country in Africa is  our jaugement on UN side and the rest of the world. I am wondering why it does not take so long for U.S forces and UN peacekeeping forces to get Liabria and  asked (Charlies Taylor) to leave within 24 hours, but did took so many years for some thing like that to happen to us. 


 The world has some thing to do with our problem and i am in  a good mood about that.


  Thanks Aluel     Get with you soon


 


 



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                  Dear Aluel


 iam not quite sure what you are aiming at, are you claiming that leadership of SPLMA is taking money and that why peace process hasn't been completed? because if you are, i believe you owe us an explaination.



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    Brother Mahiik


Once again you have brought up an intresting issue and i appreciate you for doing so. the fact of the matter is peace talk is unproductive based on the history of  northern government who are best known for their dishonesty, but in the other hand, it essential for our image as a movement, to reflect to the international community that we are willing to compermise and that we are fighting to bring peace and  to cut eveything that was bad in the old Sudan from its root. And i believe that you have underscored the truth about the possibility of new tricks from the side of NIF, but also i think they have run out of  these old trick because Sudan now is going through a very sensitive period and any wrong move may result in breaking Sudan into 4 small countries (which will eventialy takeplace). the only way out of this mess is for the NIF to rush into signing and implementing the peace agreement, that will calm the situation in a short run, but i still believe that after those 6 years, every fair mineded southerner should veto for  A FREE SOUTHERN SUDAN.



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Garang Kuat,


Do you believe the "doctrine of New Sudan" is not a misleading and gigantic mistake in the current peace talk?


 



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                 Brother Aher


To be honest, iam not getting you as well, but what i meant was that we have to give the leadership of the movement(SPLM/A) the benefit of the doubt until they are proven guilty of whatever accusations any body may have against them.



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Garang Kuat,


I apologize to put you in an equivocal situation. I had no intention to do that my brother. I gave you that irrelevant question thinking that you had an idea about the "Doctrine of New Sudan" which is currently sending intricate and intermingled messages to Southereners, everywhere in the World.


Most of us (Southerners) actually think that Independent South would be much better than United Sudan, because it will free us from Arabs lethal and misleading policies; we think that Independent South Sudan would make South Sudan more successful and prosperous in term of economy because we will be free from Arab economic, religious, political, and social imperialism and intimidation.


Nonetheless, there are some individuals amongst Southerners in the current peace talk who are thinking that it would be much better if we have "United or New Sudan" rather than "Independent South Sudan."


With the respect to above precise explanation, do you think fighting for "United Sudan" would bring a durable or long-lasting freedom and tranquillity to South?


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                  Brother Aher


First of all, thanks for explainnig what you were trying to convey, and as far as some individuals in the current peace talks are trying to drive our boat of intrest into the ocean of the united Sudan, i believe all they have is their vote at the end of the 6 years period which won't determine the fate of our nation. It will be up to all of us (southern sudanese) and like i mentioned in my last post, every fair minded southerner should vote for a complete independence.


At the end,  i believe that is what the leadership of the movement(SPLM/A) has been trying to build( giving the choice to the puplic in term of determining their own fate) and that is why i also believe they(the leadership) deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt until all the smoke is cleared and than every body will be wellcomed to discuss any concerns, but as of now, every accusation that is not proven will affect the momentum of our struggle in a neggative way.


As a person who spent most of his childhood in the north, i assure you that i will vote for a complete indepenence, not because i don't believe in the principles of new sudan, sure they may work in other countries like the united states for example, but in Sudan we don't have  responsible partners(in the north) who keep their words and willing to get rid of their sense of domination toward others. This is just the harsh reality of our nation, some people realize it and try to deal with it meanwhile others choose to ignore it and live in their own dream world that may never come true.



-- Edited by Kuat Garang Dau at 08:53, 2004-10-06

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Hi Garang Kuat,


Good remarks about the issue of United Sudan or New Sudan in the other word coined by the movement. I really like and I admire the independent South Sudan more than United Sudan because we do not want another distructorious civil war to errupt out to our next generation. So we the southerners must put more energy into independent South Sudan issue rather than confusing ourselves with the word United Sudan or New Sudan. Stay in touch.


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Garang Kuatl,


Your political perspective is well understood.


That is the objetive of having understanding colleagues/colleague.


I think if we continuously stay in this trend we will learn a lot from one another.


I appreciate your insight.


Bolajith,


I think most of participants are incredibly doing well in term of honest contributions. This issue of "Independent Sudan and United Sudan" is so perplexing to most of us. Therefore, we must inquire from some of our colleagues who have factual information. Person like Garang Kuat is a great guy who can help us with unclear situations we might face today or tomorrow. Honestly, I like his active and super contribution on this net. He is a great guy and I admire him.  He can  also provide us with solid evidence of NIF regime lethal tactics. He (Garang Kuat) is both instrumental and informational to us.


I am of opinion that the notion of "United Sudan" must be discarded if we want a durable stability and undisturbed freedom.


"The future is in freedom but not in fear." By John Kerry


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Dear Dau


 I am so sorry for being late  to feed you back.


Dear, if i still remember what i said or what i wrote, i am sure i didn't mention any think about spla or its leaderships. yes i did Mentioned Garang and A BIG WORD B.O.R,which has nothing to do with spla's leaders; it may be personal problem how do know? therefore, brother if you want me to tell you how vantuer Garang's to what is going on. i will be very gald to tell you what you want to know.But i think i owe you and explaination.


  "Aluel owe you nothing"


  Thank you brother Be cool


  aluel



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        Dear Aluel


What i meant was that if you have any thing incriminating against the leadership than we as the movement supporters have the right to know, and the reason i said that because you were claiming that Dr Garang didn't yet get the amount  of the money he wanted it in order for the peace talks to go on and that it self a very huge claim that deserve to be addressed. As far as the personal problame possibility goes, i believe it is your take brother, i don't know Dr John personal conducts so it is up to him to defend that. All iam concerned about is his status as a leader and  for most, the sacrifices of our heroes who paid the ultimate price to put this nation on the right track, and i will be offended if anybody, even Dr John, uses these sacrifices for his personal benefit and that why i still believe i desrve an explaintion.


                     nothing but love


                               KUAT



-- Edited by Kuat Garang Dau at 09:49, 2004-10-07

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             Brother Aher


Thanks for your kind words, i do realy i appreciate them, but as you know, our nation gave us a lot to be proud about and has made us the people we are today therefore we owe it a lot and that why what ever contributution we make goes into our basket of duty.


So i don't deseve any special graditude, we are all to do our best to lift this nation to where it belongs(between the stars).


       Nothing but love


                  Kuat.



-- Edited by Kuat Garang Dau at 23:46, 2004-10-07

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