it has been a while since i launched my last post on this discussion board. i have been reading your postings and i was really impressed by comments or new topics you came up with. you give your self a pat at your shoulder for good work.
as it is always said 'a boat always sink' at the shore of a river. when people have been enslaved for so long like iraqis now, it become difficult when they smell air of freedom for them to distinguish their rights from their obligations. we have been in the dark for so long that we don't even know how to claims our rights. fear have dominate everythings in our lives and this has bred mistrust, suspision, and discriminations.
as we continue to discuss issues about our country, be on the watch out. you could be caught participating in unauhtorised top. you may know the person who wrote the message or you might felt included in the issue forwarded but it came from malicious fellow who need his/her interest perpetuated/served.
it is not bad things to claims your rights or be known but it should be done in appropriate manner, directed to the right person, and at appropriate level. i mean to say some of us are too naive to show their horns at this moments. you may say you want to be heard or doing the right things but you are risking your potential at the wrong time. some may have already been dark listed by politicians and it would be hard for you to make it through.
try to be active behing the scene. in the coming months alot of goods and bad things will be happening as peace deal is coming to be finalised. others will be celebrating while others will working hard to deter it (peace) development.
so take a chameleon walk by taking one step at a time with certainty in your discussions. looking forward to hearing from you.
I appreciate your messege and i hope we do recognized your respect and great contribution towards the development of our motherland[Aweil community].therefore i think this forum is sturdy and idyllic board which we have shown our determination and recognition to each others.however in your messege you mentioned that there are some who wants to be heard or doing right thing but they are risking their potential and you also again that some have already been dark listed by politicians.
brother,I like your comments and i actually credenced it but it could have been appropriate if you would have mentioned that ways that some of us are putting their potential on risks and to whom and who are these politicians drak listed people,because i think we are the generation who are trying to bring immutable unity to Aweil community as you mentioned before that we were in darkness,it,s better to point out and state clearly for those who are dark listed and groups on risk.beause we are brothers and it like saying, "when you hit the nose the eyes shed tears "therefore it,s not actually directed to me neither i worry for the risks nor being dark listed but let,s not be scared,everybody has egalitarian to express whatever he/she feel like to share.because i know we are the future leaders of New Sudan,and there is no man in a responsible position that can sit with his hands crossed on his chest while dissatisfaction things are spreading and threatening his people and situation around.
You've giving us warning to watch out of discussing issues of our Country, participating in the unauhtoried top. You also said. (quote)you may say you want to be heard or diong the right things but you're riskihing your potentail at wrong time. In addition, you also said some of us may have already dark listed by the politicians and would be hard for them to make it through.
This sound to me as has big deal because its look like we're doing some errors here and we don't realized. What I know about this board and maybe that what's alots of this members of board knows, is that this board is not a political board, it's a Community board which allow us to talk about what's concerns our Community at large. None once of us has atempted to talked about something beyond the issues that concerns our Community Aweil. And maybe talks aganist the Movements or others Communities.
This message you posted brother, is very discouraging to me because most people on this board are not a politicians, they're a community activist whom trying to develop their Community. So lets be very careful of mixture of information.
Finally, I hope you would agree with my respons because we need more people on this board we don't need to discourage them by using the political language. Lets not be strangers to each others. Keep in peace and harmony.
first i would apologised for those who might have felt discouraged with my message. i love your participations and topics you brought up for discussions. there is nobody among you who have done anythings wrong but i was warning those who might take extra miles.
firstly, the discussion board does not mean 'talk to talk'. this is to say as long as we discuss, we should be careful with outsiders. the unauthorised topics i talked about are divisives agendas which incite you to participate. you will end up taking side and that is not constructive. we should concentrate on topics which unite us all. like those letters of 'groups of five' and 'equatoria (yei) letters' etc.
secondly, our country is still far from democracy where you can say whatever you like and get away with it. some will agree with me if we were in southern sudan. it is not a new threat. some people have died because they brought up the right things which active politicians don't to be exposed. unless we will remained in exile forever.
thirdly, for those who said we are not politicians, i say you are wrong because when you point out anything affecting your poeple, you are doing politics. it is only the degree of politics that varies.
i thank all of you for your comments. i did not meant to discourage people but to take extra cautions.
Thank you so much for taking the time to inform members of your opinions regarding the direction of our discussions. I agree with you that, our country has gone through so many difficulties; we have constantly lived in a state of brutal fear and intimidation. We were brought up in an environment where power is considered to belong to a leader, an environment where leaders are masters as opposed to being servants of the people; an environment where questioning those in authority is a taboo. The danger in living in such an atmosphere is that, people tend to internalize the status quo; they normalize the situation to extend that they are not longer able to see even the very obvious error. At such a point, any attempt to question or disagree with an issue is equated to nothing less than blasphemy. So I tend to agree with on the dangers our previous settings had had on us.
But as much as I respect your opinions, I would beg to disagree with you. You raised a number of key issues which I believe are worthy of further exploration. To begin with, you implicitly seem to show a considerable amount of reservation on the ability of board’s participants to really make any difference on various issues that are affecting our homeland. In your very words, you said: “i mean to say some of us are too naive to show their horns at this moments…´ One would however wonders as to what qualifies one to participate in his/her community or country’s matters. In my opinion, there is no any definitive point in life where one should start voicing his or her concerns on matters that affect his/her community or country. Every time is the right time so long as one is able to articulate that particular concern. Again, the situation in southern Sudan is too obvious and too personal that anyone would hardly seek any particular level of expertise to know what is good for him or her.
On the same note, I don’t think joining one’s country or community mates to discuss major issues of their homeland has anything to do with seeking the “recognition” as you implied in your article. On reading your article, I was made to believe that, those who discuss on this board and presumably other boards, in your view, do so in order to be “known” or to gain recognition. I might have misinterpreted you here but assuming that you meant what I said, you are grossly wrong in thinking that people who discuss here are motivated by some form of “recognition” associated with the discussions. It is our democratic right to question the business of our nation, I guess we don’t need to ask permission from anyone to participate on the matters that affect our nation or community and in deed ourselves. I strongly tend to agree with Taylor’s argument that, “We exercise a fuller freedom if we can help determine the shape of this society and culture” We simply should be a part of this vital process of determining the direction of new Sudan if we truly are in for a change. And one way of being part of this process is by sharing our opinions on public fora like this board.
You argued that some of the materials that we discuss here are not pleasing to some political figures and that unless we are careful, we might be victimized for saying them. There is no question about that, but I must put a question to you: what do you propose then should be done to rectify this unfortunate situation were one is victimized for pointing out the obvious? Who would you suggest should be left the task to stand up to those who use force to silent the masses? I think the task of determining our future destiny and that of our society or nation lies squarely upon our shoulders. Considering the nasty situation that we went through in our quest for freedom, we can’t afford to allow similar system that we fought to eradicate to flourish again in our nation. We fought for 21 solid years in order to have freedom, and that freedom means having a big say on the business of our nation. It fherefore makes less of a sense to argue that we could be ruining our "potentials" if we decide to question the future of our nation. It contradicts the whole meaning of our struggle. We didn’t fight only to be “black listed” for pointing out what is not going right. Again, it takes a considerable amount of gut to speak out against the misdeeds being committed in a society or nation. It therefore make less meaning for anyone to assume that everyone has the same degree of courage to speak out against obvious blunders.
In conclusion, I appreciate and respect your views, but as a matter of principle, I chose to disagree with you. I might have misunderstood you on a number of areas to which I more than willing to apologize. Have the very best of time in Ausie. Thanks.
I read your comments titled "a chameleon walk style", however, I had little, or didn't understand you completly. Albeit, the motives behind your comments remains, beyond the reach of every, sober person, I guess you were concerned of the future of those, whom you thought their participations in any political topic, may bring them head to head with, those who are naturally born politicians. But, your statement, had fall short of elaborating, as to who are those people capable of blessing future politicians. If, I get you correctly, then your call was that, people should not express their views, if they are to be preceived non-supporters, of those who have natural right to pratice politics. Unauthorised topic!! - Who does authorises topics, and from where does the authorised topics comes? What is the black list, and who keeps this lists? Have you once, saw one of those list?. As a committed, son and life-loving person, could you please, show to the members, even, if you were to use private e-mail, one sample of those lists. Otherwise, I advice you, to keep your lip tied, if at all you has no any. The people of Aweil, and that of other areas are entilted to their opinion, even in the existence of "black" or "red" lists. We do not know, the word so called "authorization" in non governmental organizations. May be the government, or the SPLM/A owned media, may apply this theories of yours. In Mading Aweil .com, we are individuals, and so we are not intersting, in seeking for authorisation, nor do we recognise such people, who had to bless other people, in order to become politicians. We do belong, to our different constitutencies. In my constitutency, I have never heard of anyone blessing another before becoming a politician, and so I, do not have to seek authorisation, in order to become a member of parliament, if I am willling to become a politician. So, for me your advice is misleading, and trying to generate, or inflict unfounded fear into people minds.
You got a strong and warning message for those who are taking unauthorized responsibilities or obligations. "They wanted to be heard or recognized. And you added they are rather naive, being in darkness for a long time made them suprised at freedom, blacklisted by the politicians."
Poil Bok,
Actually, this could dishearten most people but I don't think that will happen because we have conviction in whatever business we are doing.
The way i was brought up by this nation, and through out the period of our struggle, i have learnt that it takes sacrifices to make changes and if what it takes at this point is to be dark listed by these self claim politicians than iam ready to provide all my personal info so they can complete listing me. Iam not intimidated by any one and i will, as well as everybody else on this board, speaking out my mind in every way i may so. But because of the man iam, i respect your point of view, as a human nature, not every one is a freedom fighter so go ahead and resesve your potential with all due respect.
Thanks for your concerns about us. But as a member of this Discussion board "Aweil community", one of the things that motivate me to join my brother and sister in this board, its to simply discuss those issue that affect our community. And there for I want to be able to express my though without being afraid of anything. We all have that human right to express our feelings. so i have decided to express my though and not fear anything. We as human has the freedom of speech and there for we should speak our mind and express our feelings without fearing anything. we shell speak now and forever rest in peace.
God be with you
Atong Ajal
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"we will fight for our freedom no matter how long it will take." Atong Deng
Thank for the information you provided to participants of this forum. Garang, time for keeping quiet with things has already gone. We are starting a new chapter on this 21st century. We have been ensalved for decades because of fearing others not to speak out one's mind . Those who blacklist others should continue to do so but committed Aweil sons and daughters will continue to fight for our cause. We will not be intimidated by others. Silencing us means that we leave our community to go astray at this momentous period of recovering. We will always be ready to fight for a just and genuine cause.
Santino Ajith
-- Edited by santino Ajith at 10:40, 2004-11-01
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Nothing is possible without fair distribution of power and wealth.
To commence, I appreciate your insightful perspectives with respect to this rampant naive acitivism on the net. That was a tremendous job to bring into attention the insidious potential dangers lying on the road of unauthorized groups/group. The group you said to have been blacklisted or marked by the authorized politicians. The individuals you said, they only want to heard or recognized. Let me simply say that you have made a hasty analysis and conclusion because you didn't strongly provide credible facts and equally what can be done to inform the rest of the community.
Garang Poith, genuinely we have not been authorized by anybody to form the website; we have not been given a greenlight by anybody to talk about these rather vital socio-political, social, economic, and moral issues that are discussed not only in Sudan but in many other places in the world.
Nevertheless, we have realistically assumed the responsibilities of informing the children, youths, elders, and leaders that, the only way to achieve a durable unity, tranquillity, and prosperity in Aweil, is to get everybody involved in a full and unrestricted participation at every level. To let a people in Aweil area know they are powerful and resolutely determined people; they have a tremendous ability to outmatch other people in many endeavors which they have clearly demonstrated in struggle against the heavy-handed NIF regime.
But the question is, can Aweil people do anything to help themselves at this point? No, not really because our capability has been shattered and wasted for creating a better welfare for others but misery for ourselves. Moreover, we have been intimidated to believe and build trust in a political false-hood, we are accustomed to doing wrong things because we have put our destinies in the hands of people whom we believe to have attained the ultimate highest standard in term of intellectual maturity and advancement.
With respect to these situations which have made our people the timids and pusillanimous of hollow beings. What can we do to give our people a liberating truth? I mean what can be done by a few unauthorized youths to enlighten the rest of the community.
The best way to make that work is to inform everybody of his or her responsibilities, capabilities, and equally important to inform everyone to recognize and appreciate the importance of working with fellow brothers and sisters with no fear. To make everybody recognize the fact that he or she is the vital part of the community. Clearly, the principal objective is to make Aweil community gets strongly united so that their heads unanimously turn to the same horizon. Garang, this is really important in every community that have a well-defined principles and policies, the community that has a strong, caring, and forward-looking generation. Mind you my brother, we will never be authorized if you think that way, it is actually a collosal or gigantic mistake if you are waiting for your authorization. The system that is currently operating in Sudan has no plans for authorizing you or me for that matter.
It is actually looking for better strategies to fool us and create another harsh environment for a people in Aweil. Therefore, we have to authorize ourselves and move forward in a more understandable and legitimate way. And that simply means the community must be educated and made vigilant of important changes and their rights. We have to tell Aweil people that they are engine of the government and without them nothing will move forward in a progressive motion. This is a factual reality and we want to let them know where Aweil stands in relation to the strength of Spla/M. The responsibility some of us have taken is the vital component of making Aweil people prosperous, making a people in Aweil the main operatives in the government. We want to inform the rest of the community that they have been buds and that should be terminated right away. The forthcoming peace must touch everybody spirit in a more reasonable manner; we want everybody to have stake in this upcoming adminstration. We want to be seen as the government and not the leaders. We want people to have a direct touch, unrestricted, and non-intimidated participation at every level.
Garang Poith, a people who don't understand the importance and benefits of the community integrity, ability, and destiny can't do anything good for themselves, and this has been our major impediment since the inception of this guerilla movement. Aweil has strong, courageous, determined, active heros, and optimistic people but we have never utilized these important values to achieve a better life for ourselves and better tomorrows for the next posterity. Do you know why we don't do it? It is simply because we have been fighting political, economic, socio-political, and militarily wars single-handedly. Now it is a time to get genuinely united and fight for a brighter for all of us.
To caution you! I don't want to say our people have been misled but something wrong has happend and that is we are all searching for. We are obligated to find the truth out this time. And if you think we should wait for authorization or it would be illegal, unauthorized, and risking one's futures or potentials, then I would be glad to tell you that we have convictions irrespective of all those dangers. We are cognizant of potential dangers because we are part of everything in South Sudan.
Dear all,
To produce and educate a vigilant generation is the key to prosperity in Aweil, period.
i think i could have underestimate you for giving you warnings. it seem everybody knows what he/she is doing and ready to sacrifice for his country and that is great. thank you very much for your courage and determination.
that is the nature of human. we always have different opinion on the same things but what i said was a reality and i did not mean to scare anyone. man should always have reservations for sensitive issues. it is good that all of you have good understanding of where we are going.
however it was unfortunate that only 80% of you misunderstood what i was talking about. i would better request you to read more on the biography of jesus, george washington and the marting luther king senior. what they were advocating was accepted thousand of years later. if i am not correct look around the world and you will witness three things dominating the news and lives of people (democracy, religions and independence).
