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Deng Santo


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Brothers, I think John Garang is finished, read the article below.


The Need For a Fresh Start: Why Salva Kiir Has Rescued the South

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Gordon Buay Reath

As one of the individuals who is in high level contact with Salva Kiir Mayardid, It's my pleasure to write this article in order to enlighten South Sudanese and the international community about the undeclared removal of John Garang from SPLM/A leadership. In fact, the Egyptian media had already reported what took place within the movement. However, the Arab media reported the dismissal of Garang from National Liberation Council in a convoluted way. According to one Egyptian newspaper, "chairman Garang is in control of the SPLA". The paper has taken side by arguing that Salva Kiir, a Southern nationalist, is a separatist who fed up "because Garang ordered him to forget separation of the country". It's not a surprise to intelligent Southerners that Arabs preferred Garang to Kiir. In a September interview with the BBC, John Garang said that had SPLA been fighting for South Sudan independence, It would have been possible since the 1980s. (One can go and view the tape at www. Southsudan.net Press Release Section).

The dismissal of Garang from the SPLA took effect on the 14th of November. The SPLM/A liberation council nominated Salva Kiir as a Chairman of the SPLM/A effective from that date. A lot of people are wondering how on earth should Garang be dismissed without a press conference being called by the new leadership. The answer to that concern is that the new leadership of the SPLM/A will come out very soon. The reason why dismissal was not followed by the press release is because the new leadership is working on modalities for the new chairman to take over the Naivasha peace process. The new chairman of the SPLM/A is bound by all protocols signed by the previous chairman Garang. Although John Garang was fired from chairmanship, he is still a member of the SPLM/A until the newly established investigative team concludes its investigation into financial scandals.

The dismissal of the previous chairman Garang from the chairmanship of the SPLM/A is now being considered "rumour". For the sake of clarity, I would refer to those people as Mabiorists. They are now shedding crocodile tears about the dismissal of Garang by urging Southerners that it would harm the peace process. The peace process is not between two individuals, but organizations. In international law, change of leadership does not always affect peace agreements. Any new leader who replaces the old one is always bound by the agreements. However, Mabiorists want us to believe that it is not the case.

According to Mabiorists who approached me, any attempt to remove Garang at this juncture is counterproductive to our enemy. They further contend that dismissal of Garang will derail the peace process. For Mabiorists, the evils being committed by Garang should be tolerated for the sake of peace. The appeal to emotion utilized by Mabiorists compells me to pick up my pen to write this article because not all Southern Sudanese are good in detecting logical fallacies. The argument of Mabiorists, in logic, is called a fallacy of appeal to emotions. It's an appeal which distorts the facts and the reality of leadership succession. I mentioned earlier that change of leadership does not affect agreements in international law. The IGAD members and the rest of international community know this. But Mabiorists want to use lack of education of majority of South Sudanese to make a case that replacement of Garang will signal the end of Naivasha. If that is true, one can infer from the argum!
ent of Mabiorists that replacement of Colin Powell will lead to failure of Middle East peace process. In the same token, the Naivasha itself would have collapsed when Daniel Arap Moi was replaced by Kibaki. It's a falacious argument for one to make that replacement of leadership always leads to failures of peace agreements. If the argument of Mabiorists is true, all the agreements signed between the British government and the IRA would have collapsed.

It wouldn't take an intelligent person five minutes to discover that the argument of Mabiorists is not consistent. On the one hand, they talk about the collapse of the peace process. On the other, they talk about the advantage Jallaba would gain from dismissal of Garang. However, lets logically discuss a bit the second one. According to Mabiorists, replacement of Garang by Salva would be reminiscence of Riek Machar's coup of 1991. They argue that Garang will still command the loyalty of some commanders who will fight Kiir's forces. For them, Garang will continue enjoying support of Uganda by supplying his commanders with ammunition. Mabiorists predict that the bulk of SPLA under Kiir will not get military support from Uganda because Museveni is a friend of Garang. They didn't know that on Nov. 16, Garang asked Museveni for army and amunnition to fight Salva in Yei but was rejected by Museveni who told him that Uganda has got nothing to do with that. According to top Ugandan !
military officer who is in contact with Chairman Salva Kiir, Museveni told Garang that Uganda will do bussiness with the one who commands 90% of support within the SPLA. In this case, Uganda prefers doing bussiness with Kiir to Garang, who is supported by half of Bor County let alone the South.

Although Mabiorists cite Riek Machar's coup to scare South Sudanese, there is no logical comparison between the two. However, for me to make an intellectual argument, I have to satisfy my readers whether there are negatives and positives that may occur. SPLM/A under Chairman Salva Kiir Mayardid has more positives to gain for the South than SPLA under former chairman. First of all, Salva Kiir will appeal to other factions and call for South-South dialogue. It's pertinent for every Southerner to know that the name John Garang, let alone his being chairman of the SPLA, is a threat to potential unity of South Sudan political factions during the transitional period.
According to theory of conflict resolution, reconciliation among various factions is always made impossible by the perceptions the leaders of factions hold towards one another. Salva Kiir will not be viewed negatively by the leaders of other political groups. This will pave the way for reconciliation and creation of liberal democracy in the South based on multiparty system.

Only people suffering from intellectual disability would deny that Salva Kiir will reach out to all factions in the South. The NIF regime has been enjoying division in the South because the regime's leadership knows that Garang is a character that always fragments South Sudan society as long as he is a leader of the SPLA. The existence of Garang until his dismissal on the 14th has been a blessing for the NIF which exploited hatred built against Garang by the South. Those factions that formed strategic alliances with the regime did it out of hatred of Garang. The replacement of Garang by Salva is likely to bring about emotional, political and social transformations which will engulf and destroy the NIF.

The second benefit chairmanship of Salva Kiir will bring to South Sudan is the end of Nuer-Dinka suspicions which crippled the liberation of the oppressed. South-South dialogue that will follow suit is going to elevate politics in the South from tribal factionalism to national alliances of factions based on common political agenda, i.e, the liberation of the South and the creation of liberal democracy. The SSLM, the SSDF and the new SPLA will once again energize the previously demoralized South to unite again to achieve the objective of the oppressed. Should the NIF regime backs off from the peace, although it's unlikely, the new united South will fight with unprecedented enthusiasm. South Sudan will undergo new nationalism that will even inspire young Southerners to become suicide bombers against NIF's Mujahideen that are looting the oil.

I don't see any negative thing that will tranfire because Salva Kiir takes over the leadership of the SPLM/A. Mabiorists need to know that comparison between 1991 and the present is fallacious at best. First of all, the circumstances which led to the failure of Riek Machar are not being experienced by Salva Kiir. At this juncture, Salva Kiir controls the whole SPLA except some commanders who reside in Kenya and Uganda. Conventional wisdom would inform one that a commander who supports Garang but resides in Continental Hotel is not a threat to anybody in the South. Mabiorists need to know that political leaders of neighboring countries support the SPLA not because of their frienship with Garang but because of their national interests. It's in the national interest of Uganda to deal with new SPLA leadership rather than a private Garang who will be commanding the loyalty of his wife instead. If Uganda wants LRA to be eradicated, it has to do business with Chairman Salva Kiir. T!
here is no rational point for Museveni to resume being a bedmate of a somebody who lost his job. Museveni needs a new bedmate, i.e, Chairman Salva Kiir.

According to Mabiorists, Salva Kiir will not appeal to other factions. One Mabiorist I talked to made a childish argument that SSDF is an incarnate of the NIF regime and will never accept Kiir's call for a dialogue. I automatically realized that this particular Mabiorist needs hospitalization for he is suffering from what Psychologists call severe shock that cripples nervous system and generates irrational behaviour. Every Southerner knows that Salva Kiir will be wellcomed by Paulino Matip to an extent that should he demand Matip to prepare head of Garang for breakfast, Matip will not waist time to execute his orders.

On the issue of on-going peace process, It's unlikely that the NIF regime will back off from peace process as Mabiorists want us to believe. It's enough for me to say that the peace is not between individuals. But between political organizations. International community cannot withdraw from peace process because Garang is removed due to corruption. Nothing like that exists in international law up to date. In international law, all protocols signed by Garang will be binding on Kiir.

Although international law defeats Mabiorists' argument, the crisis in Darfur is another case which must console Southerners that international community will never relinquish North-South peace process because the crisis in Darfur is entertwined with Southern problem. As long as the NIF is under international pressure on Darfur, withdrawing from Naivasha because Garang has been fired will be costly to the regime. The inescapable truth is that one cannot resolve Darfur genocide while by-passing South-North civil war. John Garang himself alluded to that fact in a September BBC interview.

The replacement of Garang at this juncture shows the intelligence of Salva Kiir. Removing Garang at the time the international community is considering to impose sanctions on the NIF regime is the perfect time. A lot of people with intellectual calibre of Salva Kiir will come to the same conclusion. One can argue that it's the change of leadership within the SPLA that will hasten the signing of final peace agreement. The NIF regime has two options now: either to accept peace and save the ruling party or will be defeated by a united South. It's obvious that the regime will choose the former.

In conclusion, the dismissal of Garang from the SPLM/A is not an impediment to the signing of final peace agreement nor to the stability in the South. It's in fact a blessing for the South. All South Sudanese must encourage the new leadership of the SPLM/A to call for South-South dialogue that will bring into existence the true unity of the South. (End)



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Thank for your dream. But Dr John Garang De Mabior will still rule the animals of southern Sudan and all Nyigaats (NIF Traitors) until he will handle the leadership to who ever he choose. What I know so far, If that rumors of Salva Kiir Mayar-dit is true, All I have to say is, to pray to God to keep his soul in his right hand. Cuz he gonna follow his folks soon. I mean = Kourbino Kuanyin, Arok Thon, William Nyuon, and all other Nyigaats who tried to do the same as Kiir trying now...>

Coming together is a biggining...
Sharing together is a progress.....
Keepping together is a success.....


One mistake wipe all your good credit away... Mayar Credit are gone for ever. Never trust no body in Bhar el gazel.....>




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Tinny Joke 1,


A multitude of thanks for your nice input.


I wish all Garang's sycophants and siblings should come out and say the same thing.


This is the kind of sincerity we all want in the south.


Thanks,


Mayik Aher



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Deng Santo,


Thank for forwarding this kind of information.


The author has enthusiastically supported his case with a multitude of solid evidence and overwhelming circumstantail evidence.


I agree with most of his arguments especially the part that talks about the collapse of peace process if changes are done, that is not true and it would be a collosal mistake if there are some people who think replacement or change can interfere with peace process.


We all believe that it is a contract between two regions; that is, North and South, and removal of one person can't have a negative impact on Spal/m.


However, the problem is that the author is more conclusive in his message.


He should not have done that because most people have not heard any information from either Salva Kiir or John Garang yet, and that makes it a little harder for most people to take it serious.


For instance things like calling John Garang the former chairman and Salva Kiir the Spla/m Chairman is extremely difficult to fathom at this premature time.


The author is writing like that because he hates John Garang like the way most of us do.


He is tired of the tragic dictator.


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Garang Aher.



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Deng Santo,


Thank for this nice article. The author has crediblities but he is ahead of everyone on this tragic plot. He is so anxious to see changes coming to SPLA/M leadership because he sees no future on John Garang like most of us do.


Tinny Joke 1,


"Dr. John Garang de Mabior will still rule the animals of southern sudan and all Nyigaats ( NIF Traitors) until he will handle the leadrship to who ever he will choose".


I found it ridiculous for a sound being like you to response to things blindly because your brother's mistakes have been pointed out. Do you think John Garang has absolute power to choose his successor or south sudanese has the power to elect the leader of their choice? Do you believe in autocratic or democratic government? When has south sudan became a mornarchy system of government to allow John Garang and his sons/brothers to rule south sudan forever? If you were asked to point out one mistake or two in John Garang's administration, what would you point out? Be generous and open on this last question. Tinny, the entire south sudan is tired of Garang's dictatorship style of governing and therefore longing for new changes in the movement. Garang will always be remembered for his tragic failures more than the goods he has done to south sudan. He created many factions and divisions in south sudan, so we need a new a leader who will bring southerners together to fight for our common cause. Southerners will not tolerate more of John Garang autocratic governing. They need a leader who will co-operate with them and work with them in hand in hand. I welcome you to defend your master with factals evidences and vital information.


Dear all,


I can see the light coming to south sudan without John Garang. The ongoing peace process will not collaspe if he is removed from the office. The new leader will pick it from where he left it and Garang can still be a member of delegation team for peace talk. Changes will prompt eminent unity within south sudan.


Santino Ajith


 



-- Edited by santino Ajith at 12:21, 2004-11-23

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Dear all,


     Mr. Gordon Buay has enthusiastically backed up his claims using solid facts and commonsensical arguments. However, at this juncture, I am still skeptical about the removal of John Garang from his revered chairmanship.


     Conversely, if a wind of change were to sweep through the SPLA/M leadership, a press release would have been out. Thus, how trustworthy are these sources circulating the rumors and rifting the relations between SK and JG. If the story is true, so is it. It is not obligatory that Garang must lead. Change is inevitable, so long as it comes for the better.


       I will just wait for ample evidence before opening my mouth either to condemn SK or emphasis the indispensability of JG.


 


 


       Respectfully yours,


         James Alic Garang.


 



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Tinny Joker,


I think you ought to give thank to the good people of greater Bhar-el-gazal, without them, your home district could have been be left in ruin by Nuer. People of Bhar-el-gazal gave up their lives to rescue the elderly, women and children of Bor in 1991 who would otherwise have been miamed by Nuer's forces. So whether dictator Garang is kicked out or not, you will still need people of Bhar-el-gazal. you should never forget that.


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Guys, some people have begun abusing our leaders who are liberating us from Garang Mabior tyranny. One of the guys attacked commanders from Bhar-el-gazal and went as far as calling them idiots etc. One of the folks retaliated in a way that I really like it. Here is his reply to the insult:


"Kuir,

I have waited and waited and I have realized that you are not going to respond to my concern, so I will asnwer myself as I had promised. Salva Mathok or whoever you had mentioned his name is not an idiot, but the living matyrs of our struggle. They have sacriced all they had including their dear lives so that you and I may live tomorrow in a danger-free environment. The right word for such people is liberators or patriotic citizens. Idiot is good word that can to be applied to the description of your father and your uncle whom I had met in a nyama choma canteen in Elderot, Kenya, years back. They are idiots because they have deserted our people and their cause. Those you had called idiots are not idiots because they have denied themselves the chance to learn and become what they can best be, instead they have given you the chance to do learning while they are doing the liberation. Idiot is you because you are misusing your learning by turning against them and insult them disrespectfully. They are not idiots because while they are fighting, they still manage their families in the land they are offering themselves for, while you, your family, and relatives become vagabonds like a moving wind, you are the idiots.

They are not idiots because they have defeated the threat from the Arabs, the Murahleens, the drough-inflicted famine, while you, your family, and your relatives have vanished from the South because you can't face those things, you are the idiots. They are not idiots because they know leaving your homeland you are fighting for doesn't make sense. They stay put in their origin lands and do all they can for their survival, yet you, your family, and your relatives become worshippers of the UN. They became sluggish and addicted to spoon feeding in every camp; external or internal, you are idiots. Those people are not idiots because they can live in war and in peace. They cannot bow down on a frog-faced ugly killer simply because of peace with the north. They know that Garang is as bad as the NIF is because he kills. Killing one, two, three, people at a time, he can exterminates the whole population. Yet you prefer Garang's kiilings to NIf because you are not able to recognize that death is death, no matter who takes the life away. Because you have not acknowldged this, you are the idiots.

Those commanders are not idiots because they have been leading their sons to liberate your area and mine, idiots are those thugs who prefer to see their shoulders red , green or whatever color it is as recognizeable commanders, yet they don't have their brothers with them to lead or command. Idiots are you, your family, and your relatives because you have chosen abstenence over sacrifice in the south. Idiots are you when you don't recognize your shame in the history of our liberation. Idiot is you when you stand behind a beast. Idiot is you when you stubbornly chose to defame weapon holders while you don't have a gut to say a thing to your uncle who does not have a properly place to lay his head, let alone a secure room for his soiled PhD. Anybody who is fighting Jalaba is not idiot, idiot is he who is practising parasitism on Samburu and Pokot sheep in the foreign land. So Kuir, you are an idiot from a family crippled by idiocy.

Mr. YIc"



-- Edited by Deng Santo at 04:29, 2004-11-24

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Kuot Kuot. Please don't lie... Who among  Bhar el gazal commanders fought Nuer in 1991? It was Majak Agoot. or do you mean Majak is from Aweil?
What i know you guys missed your slave masters. Dr Garang is about to end your relationship with slave masters (Maralleen) by the end of the year that's why you want fight against SPLM/A... Check this links out..> http://www.iabolish.com/today/photo-gallery/images.htm.
http://www.iabolish.com/today/photo-gallery/road.htm
also check this out too...> http://www.awinoonline.net/Papa%20war.swf
If you guys like your Mom (mothers) to be rape in front of your Dad (fathers) and you, Then go and SPLA will still remain SPLM/A. As you know many folks have try and fail. And also keep Ngun Deeng Proverbs.

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Slavery will not end until the end of the world in Bhar el gazal.This is what you guys need.

Mawien Aheer Bol and Yak Kenyang Adieu: Sudan
Although not related, Mawien (8) and Yak (12) called one another "brother." They were captured and enslaved by raiders on the same day, and both were victims of their masters' wrath. It was Mawien's job to clean the goat pen. When he did not clean it to his master's liking, his master cut off one of his fingers. One day, Yak was sick and could not tend to his master's goats. As a punishment, his master cut off all of the fingers on one of Yak's hands.
Listen to Akut Kuei here Nyigaats...> http://www.awinoonline.net/Akurkuei1.rm  copy and past this link in your browser...> (Akut Kuei part 2) http://www.awinoonline.net/Akurkuei2.rm



-- Edited by Tinny Joker 1 at 10:43, 2004-11-24

-- Edited by Kuot Kuot at 19:39, 2004-11-30

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Tinny Joker 1 (Awien from Bor, now residing in Georgia, USA),


Those artificially deformed kids are from Aweil area and I am from Aweil area too.


I like them because they remind us of what Garang Mabor and his likes intentionally did to our people.


It is a defamation, derogation, de-humanization, inhumanity, brutality, ruthlessness, stigmatization, degradation to the entire Aweil community.


The images of our forgotten people will never elude our recollection for a number of decades.


Tinny Joker 1 (Awien), I believe this is what Bor community is thinking of Aweil people as people who have been intentionally humiliated by the Garang leadership.


Furthermore, it will tell Aweil people what Bor community wishs them to be.


Therefore, keep forwarding more of these kinds.


Thanks,


Garang Aher



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Mayik Aheer. You are so funny.. You call your brother Mawien Aheer Bor. Your
brother loose his fingers for nothing.. and you want loose your too. I trust
only Akut Kuei...> ....>
http://www.awinoonline.net/Akurkuei1.rm ...> http://www.awinoonline.net/Akurkuei2.rm


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Tinny Joker 1 (Awien)


Shame on you to mentioned that Majak Agoot fought in Bor War of 1991. Does Majak have army to command? My friend Majak did not fought in that war. William Nyuon did. I am a soldier and I fought in Bor war to liberate  your parents and your community. Please give thank to Bhar el Gazalians who liberated Bor from Nuer. if it wasn't Bhar el Gazal, the major army contributor of the SPLA/M, there would be nothing like Bor community today. Bor would have enjoyed Nuer brutalities and possibly enjoy rapes and slavery too. As a soldier in that war, I knew young Bor girls and women who have been raped by Nuer and we rescued them. Bor fled home to refugees camps in east Africa and Bhar el Gazal resisted theirs and stayed home. Who is a coward, the one who ran away from home or the one who resisted the arabs brutalities and stayed home? On the same note, who is a strong and well respected commander in the army, the one with a major army contributor or the one without army to back him? My friend, you are suffering from frustration and hallucination because your master dictator John Garang is going and Bor power is declining. South Sudan will not and will never tolerate Bor egocentrism, ethnocentrism, nepotism, tribalism, and supremacy any more. We need a ffair leader who represent south sudan values instead of oppressor/dictotor.


Tinny (Awien) years of John Garang's annihilation have gone. Now everythings is on his neck should he underestimate it. The choice is yours now with your Bor counterparts to either defend his bad records for more than two decades or be with southerners regardless of him being your brother. A true citizen cannot support a bad leader even if the leader is his/her brother. A true citizen can speak out the truth and be with what the majority of the country agree on. We are fine with any good leader from Bor but Garang is not our choice on this 21st century. Garang has killed enough prominent leaders from Bhar el Gazal. Killing Salva Kiir is something that we cannot endure like what happened in the past. SPLA/M will pursue south sudan mission without Garang who is sitting there without strong army from his tribe, Bor. It is shameful to find Bor commanders leading the army and they don't have enough army from their own tribe. Bor community is a community full of cowards. Men play women roles, and not men roles as it sound. Praise God for what Bhar el Gazal has done in south sudan, without Bhar el Gazal, there would be nothing like SPLA/M today especially during the split of 1991-1992. Bhar el Gazal stood shoulder to shoulder to protect Bor community from Nuer attack and fought arabs as well. I am proud to be Bhar el Gazal, the land of brave men and women.


Tinny ( Awien)


Keep forwarding more of these pictures, it will help strengthen our already existing unity and partriotism in Bhar el Gazal. The more we see them, the more we become aware of John Garang tribalistic acts and brutalistics. Bhar el Gazal will not be intimidated by tinny community, Bor in south sudan, Arabs knows who are the real men in south sudan. Tinny, don't let frustration overcome you to do things that would not do otherwise. I will not falter to say anything I know about Garang and his Bor counterparts. Years of division in the south are numbered, it is time for unity and new changes in the SPLA/M will bring long and everlasting unity amongst southerners.


Santino Ajith


 



-- Edited by santino Ajith at 12:45, 2004-11-24

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Deal only with individual or individuals but avoid generalizing entire region and sub-tribe, Bhar el Gazal and Bor.


 


Deng Deng Guruk.


 



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Neither JG nor SK is to be trusted. They are both idiots. SK was


the mastermind of JG’s messes since the beginning of the arm struggle.


 


Deng Deng Guruk



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Deng Deng Guruk,


"Salva Kiir was the mastermind of John Garang messes since the beginning of the arm struggle."


Deng Mtoto, I would agree with you on the foundamental fact that Salva Kiir in one way or another, might have been involved in committing crime against humanity in the south.


That should be exactly right, he has been involved in some crimes John Garang is accused of.


However, if we all look at this situation critically, we will find that Salva Kiir only committed "obedient crime."


I mean that Salva Kiir has committed crimes against humanity because he was executing orders or commands from John Garang.


We all know that John Garang is very complicated, paranoid, and suspicious, unmerciful, intimidating guy, inward focus, and the worst of all he is a brutal and ruthless murderer.


John Garang doesn't trust his own colleagues and that makes him a difficult person to deal with.


Under these circumstances, I believe this is what has exactly happened in the South Sudan leadership, there are officers who have committed crimes because John Garang has told them to kill or murder others.


In like manner, there are officers who might have been involved in tribes or other communities manslaughtering or ethnic cleansing because they have been told by John Garang to carry that inhumane action out.


I am not trying to say that those who committed "obedient crime" should be exempt from accusations or accountability for what they did. 


But my point here is that, some officers have actually committed inhumane atrocities because of "obedient crime." I mean they were only carrying out oders from the top.


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Dear sons and daughters of Aweil, I had to shed tears because of those pictures of the enslaved women and children that Tinny Joker has molestingly attached to this forum.  I never thought any southerner would moke us for being enslaved.  But out of that cry, I found one thing, that the Arab slavers may not be all identified and brought to justice but at least Tinny and his master Garang are partners of theirs that we clearly know.  Please mark Tinny Joker very well if you know him.  He got to face justice.  It may not be sooner but with life, we will.  That is all I had to say.


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Thiep Agui.. Why do you shed tears on me while I am not the one who enslave you nor Dr John Garang. Garang try his best to free you and you are still against him.

I don't know what Garang and his Bor community did to you guys.
Can any one volunteer his/her self to give me ten point why Garang and his community are victim to your community?.


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Tinny Joker 1,


John Garang never try anything to free BEG and in particular Aweil. Garang is a potential enemy and threat to BEG since the beginning of the movement. His policies are bogus and divisive in many ways. As a concern of citizen of south sudan, can you please point out only one mistakes of Garang during the last two decades. There are millions of crimes he has committed but I just want you to mention one if you are a true citizen of south sudan. I can give you millions of Garang atrocities to BEG after you answered this question. Don't be escaptive of questions you have been asked.


Santino Ajith



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Dear Tinny Awien!


    Thanks for your membership and a message to Bhar El Ghazal people. Division and rivalry first started in Bor when, the Late Akuot Atem and Major Arok Thon, undermined John Garang as  boorish and stiff-necked leader right from childhood stage to adulthood. This was when Arok Thon begun muttering around to kongor People and to Pakeer subclan, where Akuot Atem come from. Their plans to remove Garang wasn't successful because it was considered as grudges and intense hatred inside Bor people.


   Bhar el Ghazalians ambition is to free the south and everybody else suffering from untimely attack from Neighbouring communities in upper Nile. Awien; Bhar el Ghazal's coup won't be like that of Nasir declaration which  dehorned Bor community and had given them a story they won't forget in live.Don't forget that Aliab where your people found settlement in a decade is  a district within Bhar el Ghazal. we won't tolerate any person abhoring us when we are doing the right thing. You have all those opportunities to survive under the care of international organization(UNHCR)in refugees camps. It was terribly shameful when any of you asked the main reason to as why he fled Sudan gives an answer;as  Nuer, Murlei people.


  Bor People are not in peace whether in refugee camps or in United States due to the unveiled statements above; we have lots of problems still coming inside Bor due Garang's impeachment in SPLAm  and so do almost all Bhar el Ghazal people. As responsible community we don't risk thing at ago and this doesn't imply our weakednesses, but we went the mission accomplish, the mission that would let your fathers returns home from refugees lives.


All in all a leader can't be leader without backing from his people. The socialist era will go off like a flame with insufficient oxygen. We could have attained this incoming peace earlier if John's didn't side with communist countries before. Election will determine the leader of tomorrow.


Yours


Yel. 



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 Thiep Angui has to cry because he is not animal yarning for foods just like your grand grade parents in refugee camps in KaKuma kenya, Uganda and in DRC. We Bhar el Ghazalians fought to the last man, and we will continue to fight without retreating. These children whose photos appear here are not deformed, but it was the work of Arabs. A person with the heart of struggle won't rejoice making fun over photos of our people who are being depressed. 


   We have Bor's poorest pictures/photos and video tapes resultant to Nuer's raids in 1990s, which is almost similar to those of Rwandese genocide. People worldwide couldn't believe that a tiny Nuer community would ruin Dinka Clan in History (bor) People who didn't know your weaknesses turn to approve it to day. Do you like me to forward all those pictures to you? If I can send these photos like you did, you will see people blaming me for doing such snobbish things to my counterparts.


      Garang Mabior brought civilization to Bor Community, But not to Bhar el Ghazal, where Garang did most of his  studies. Although Garang wants to put an end to Bhar el ghazal people, we still persist to liberate the south. These are the key evidences, that Bhar el Ghazal can bring about the changes in the south. Bor has no mineral and Garang continues to borrow and to embezzle the fund from Many countries and Organizations in the name of Sudanese people in the south. Would all these sorts of evil keep Garang in his position? What if upper Nile becomes a country, what will you do with Nuer people? Will you not worship them to desist harassing you?


   Your people after Riek defected from the Movement, plead to John garang in order to persuade Nuer people to the extent of giving his position to Riek as a SPLAM Leader. And when the first peace deal was not succesful in 1992-193 the whole Bor community blamed Garang for refusing to comply with Riek Machar's requests.  In this context, Bor community lost its innovative spirit and are no longer independent without Nuers' Consent.


Thank.


Yel


    



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Tinny,


I think you are missing the point here. I don't think the problem is Bor community per se. The way in which you are intermingling the leadership of John Garang and Bor community is not healthy. What majority of southerners, Bhar-el-gazal included, say is that Garang as failed has a leader and it is about time his leadership be checked. John Garang has led the movement for 21 years and all he has been able to acheive is intertribal resentment, southerners are so much divided under his leadership than under any of the leaders who proceeded him. That alone justify the call to remove him from power. He has turned southern Sudan into a police state where people live in constant fear, I don't think that is the kind of environment we took up arms to create.


Regarding slavery in northern Bhar-el-gazal, I don't also think that it is a matter of cowardice. It is in fact fair to assert that it was part of Garang's strategy to crippled that region so that they no longer pose any threat to his emperialist ambitions. People of Northern Bhar-el-gazal are too strong to be enslaved by Muralleeni and I belief you know it too. If our brothers were allowed to go home after training, there could be no Arab in the whole of Bhar-el-gazal now let alone enslavement by Muralleeni. But because Garang had an agenda, he strategically refused to send our brothers home but instead sent them to blue Nile and Equatoria where they died by their thousands. It is some of these factors that make us feel bitter with the leadership of John Garang.


Again I find it heartreding to see a southerner celebrateing the misfortune of other southerners. You brought those pictures as a way of mocking Aweil people for the suffering the went through, how would you feel if I provide pictures of 1991 attrocities in Bor? I think by doing that you are not doing any service to your people. You should be among those calling for the removal of John Garang for that will open a door for your people to meant their differences with Nuers and other communities. Your community can never be at peace with Nuer as long as Garang is in power, I would therefore think that a wise Bor person would advocate for the removal of John Garang. Regards.


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Tiny Joker one


You are the only fool that i ever met. A human being without sense of compasion like you are hardly found on this planat. Why in the world should some one like you moke people with such a heartbreaking pictures. Even arabs who are our mojar foes should not laugh at those inocents kid, let alone the southerner who have the same skin as yourself. I thought arabs were our enemies in the south regardless of our tribes and subtribes. I thank those who have responsed so far for realising your shallowed mind. I' m not from Aweil, but what your dumb-head has done is not a disgrace to Aweil people alone, but to the whole south as the nation. It is not a suprise for some one who know you personaly like me to read such a shocking post from you. Your childish thinking is known to people living here in atlanta and anywhere else where you are known. I don't really know what make you so paranois to post such a think. is Garang removal an end to your life? sincerely speaking Garang has killed many people in the suoth including Bors themselves. Anybody living in the south knows this facks and his removal should not be a problems to southerners at all but sign of reunion among the southerners who fought themselves for all these years more than they fought our main enemy Arabs. As the matter facks, sincere bor men and women should join hand with their southern brothers in the removal of this killer(Garang). some arabs believe that Garang is the only strong leader in the south to fight them, is this what we want to prove right? No, that is not true. Garang himself was born by the same southern mothers who gave birth to everyone in the south and every leader inthe south can fight arabs with everything posible to gain our independent whom Garang has been blocking for all these years. For the benefit of the south sudan and its people, we should not support our leaders because they are our close brothers, but becuse of their ability to leads. Remember, there are some people from bor who had opposed Garang in the pasted and still opposted him today. we should elect our leaders as southern sudanese but not as a Dinka tribes. If a person from shuluk is capable to lead, we should not hisetate to elect him because he is from that tribes. 


Tiny Joker, It is not bad to depend who ever you think is good for the south, but Don't try to play with the live of inocent people like that. God will never forgive you for doing that.


 


 


 


 


 



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Manhom and all readers. Can you guys read Kuot Kuot respond and unstand what he mean. I am not defending Garang leadership. My Problem is who ever talk about Bor distruction in 1991. I don't care who, even if somebody tell me where i am now. I may head him in the face.
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"Tinny Joker, I think you ought to give thank to the good people of greater Bhar-el-gazal, without them, your home district could have been be left in ruin by Nuer. People of Bhar-el-gazal gave up their lives to rescue the elderly, women and children of Bor in 1991 who would otherwise have been miamed by Nuer's forces. So whether dictator Garang is kicked out or not, you will still need people of Bhar-el-gazal. you should never forget that. Kuot Kuot."


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 Ya Mayiik Aheer. Garang didn't send mooraleen to loot and rape women or enslave young childrens in Bhar el gazal. If you guys are not mad animals. He try to free you from mooraleen and you are now blaming him.
May you explain what Garang and his likes did to Aweil Community?.

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"Tinny Joker 1 (Awien from Bor, now residing in Georgia, USA), Those artificially deformed kids are from Aweil area and I am from Aweil area too. I like them because they remind us of what Garang Mabor and his likes intentionally did to our people. It is a defamation, derogation, de-humanization, inhumanity, brutality, ruthlessness, stigmatization, degradation to the entire Aweil community. The images of our forgotten people will never elude our recollection for a number of decades. Tinny Joker 1 (Awien), I believe this is what Bor community is thinking of Aweil people as people who have been intentionally humiliated by the Garang leadership. Furthermore, it will tell Aweil people what Bor community wishs them to be. Therefore, keep forwarding more of these kinds. Thanks, Garang Aher"


-- Edited by Tinny Joker 1 at 22:30, 2004-11-26

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