Mr. Deng's Foundation.

Simon Garang · Beginner Contributor

RE: Mr. Deng's Foundation.

Tong Deng · Beginner Contributor

Dear Dhor Aher

"We are coming down to the level of Palestinian people who couldnot image life without Yasser Arafat. Saddenly nature had proven them wrong and currently Palestinian people are able to see that live vested upon them and not on single individual" I regret to see you comparing very smart, responsible people of southern Sudan to Palestinian. Please note that you are not excluded could Southern Sudanese be call Palestinian since you carry the same identity and then you won¡Çt be exceptional. Let me tell you to understand more things that you might not be aware of, SPLA is voted in the world as the best liberation movement compare to Somalia, Sirr Leon, Yugoslavia just to mention few. If you go to SPLA controlled areas with the exceptional of development you won¡Çt feel that you are in the war zone. Anyone who has been following the war of the few countries that I have mentioned above knew what I am talking about here. And if you don¡Çt have an idea about those countries like Somalia then you are free to learn more about them before you would compare the people of southern Sudan to Palestinian. I am glad that the people with no vision for southern Sudan and talks like you are the minority otherwise would they happened to be the opposite then southern Sudanese might have continues being in trouble under NIF oppressors.

I have a combined answer to your question and Mayiik about our people who have been without schools, health facilities and clean water for the last 22 years. I would even backdate this to 50 years to cover the period when the people you are supporting were ruling us and they failed to deliver public services. The few hand pumps, health facilities we have in Aweil were made during SPLA time.

I like this quote: "we will never denounce our leaders for the sake of outsiders" I am happy to hear such a word from you Dhor Aher. when I read that quotation I just looked back to our arguments in June and July when you and the rest of your friends wrote a letter asking for Malong Lual Diing dismissal from the position he held in Aweil community because he denounce the alliance of Bona Malwal with NIF. I also referred to what I told Malong and Majang that we will disagrees and later on we shall come to final agreement. Can you tell me which village did Bona come from in Aweil? I am even better my friend because arguments are inside Aweil i.e. Angelo Mangok and Aldo Ajou. I like Mr. Aldo Ajou when it comes to politics; he new very well how he plays his game in politics but he forgotten that politics are in line with development and this is where he failed to meet the need of his people.

"You need to elaborate more on the Oxford Declaration because there were two versions addressed in Oxford, on declaration on slavery and other one on south south Dialogue. So which is which?" I hope my addressee answers are enough for you. I am also glad that Ateny Wekdit was excluded in the Oxford Declaration meeting 1 and expel in the Oxford Declaration II since he was imposing himself in the middle of people who are not his age group, though they knew very well that his signature in the very document was important but there are other thing he is not qualified to know them. So undermine him was the better option. This is a good example to Dhor Aher who wanted Malong Lual Diing, his home mate and age group dismissed because of Bona. You will be shock like Ateny who was denied to enter the conference room.

"Those who has been advocating perfection in Garang¡Çs leadership, last month standoff and subsequence conference in Rumbek had prove them wrong" please know that Rumbek conference was purely SPLM/A leaders dialogue, who were discussing their internal problems and how the southern Sudan will be govern during the interim period. There were no oppositions in between to prove SPLM/A supporters wrong.

"That bring us to the fundamental questions, are we better off now under Garang leadership?" We are not. However we shouldn¡Çt forget that the people you are telling us are the same guys who have been cheating us for the sake of cheating are the one who came through you to cheat us again. They are free to do their things the way the want but not telling us lies we have heard for last 50 years. We need the real development.

Simon Garang I like your message. We are for Luol to do his work. I will reply another day.

Thank you, May God blesses Mading Aweil and Dhor Aher to open his eyes and see beyond his current way of analyzing things.

Have a nice Sunday

Tong Deng

-- Edited by Tong Deng at 02:49, 2004-12-20

Ateny Wek · Beginner Contributor

Tong Deng,

In your reply to Dhor Aher, you have stated that, "I was not allowed to enter to the Oxford Conference". Where did you get this information? I am afraid this is leading to another disinformation. Please do not mix things, Aldo's foundation is not the same as Oxford Decalration for the reparation of Slavery. They are different subjects - we have exhuasted the topic of the slavery last year in Aweil@topica.com . Now, it is Deng's foundation. Not Bona or Slavery, should be subject under Deng's foundation. Deng's Foundation is meant according to Aldo, for building Schools and Hospital in Beej village, of Abiem, in Aweil East County. The first benefits will be received by the people of Abiem your family included, before it comes to my area of South Aweil. So please if you have anything to condemn in Deng's Foundation, then do it without my name - I must advice you to do it this time without linking it with whatever had transpired at the Slavery Reparation Commitee whatsoever.

Thanks.

Ateny Wek Ateny

Tong Deng · Beginner Contributor

Dear Ateny Wekdit

I apologized to you had I hurt you through my arguments with Brother Dhor Aher. I was provoked by Dhor who tried to answer the question on your behalf while the question wasn’t address to him. I promise that I won’t mention your name under this topic any more. Thanks for your understanding.

Best wishes

Tong Deng

Ateny Wek · Beginner Contributor

Dear Brother Tong Deng,

Thank you very much for understanding my point. However, your apology is welcome brother. There was no any reason for connecting me with Deng's Foundation in the first palce. Anyway, Deng's Foundation is meant to bring benefits to the people of Aweil this time. It is not for fishing political position. It is just to say welcome to Deng's Foundation, or keeping silence that is the only thing required, since the owner is not asking for any recommendations of financial contributions.

Have a merry Christmas.

Ateny Wekdit

Mabior Isaac · Intermediate Contributor

Finals are almost over, I hope all of you are happy with your finals. I have been carefully reading few respones on Deng foundation. through my view I have seen misconception within Deng Foundation to night I will give you my ideas about Deng Foundation.

thanks stay tune

Kijana Dhor · Intermediate Contributor

Dear Tong Deng Anei!

First let me thank you for your response to my argument although you have fallen into the same thing you accused me of giving you covering up answers. I will try me best to answer you promptly with hope of enhancing better argument.

"I am happy to hear such a word from you Dhor Aher. when I read that quotation I just looked back to our arguments in June and July when you and the rest of your friends wrote a letter asking for Malong Lual Diing dismissal from the position he held in Aweil community because he denounce the alliance of Bona Malwal with NIF."

Tong Deng Anei, I cann't blame you anyway because we are living in politically deprived world of Southern Sudan otherwise what Malong did by giving analogy of Gogrial people of being in the same basket with NIF regime was a grave mistake which was condemned not by me but also by Aweil community. IF you called Gogrial NIF regime, where will you put SPLA/M deputy leader CDR. Salva Kiir? Where will you put some Aweil members who are bounded by blood relationship to Gogrial? Did Gogrial enslave our kids or NIF? Iam glad that you refer to Malong as my homeboy when all he did was to refer to me as Dhor Aguek and his cousin Bona Malwal. Is that leader a uniter or a divider ? That letter was written by six University students who would not wanted to see their homeland being inflamed by those whose concern was nothing but clinging to a mere AYA office. Iam sorry to expose all these but to same myself from being defamed by You Tong Deng, I was left with no choice but to come clean.

"please know that Rumbek conference was purely SPLM/A leaders dialogue, who were discussing their internal problems and how the southern Sudan will be govern during the interim period. There were no oppositions in between to prove SPLM/A supporters wrong."

Tong Deng, I got enough of those conference outcome from reliable sources and the fact that you denied the thorny issue being discussed at the conference show that folks like you are still continuing in their propaganda event in this 21st century of the advent of media revolutionary. Deny it but I will not ask you to give your dialogue contents because I did ask you to give me the outcome after all.

In your argument, you refer to me as being a supporter of Aldo Ajou, I would not be surprised because this is a common phenomena among. If you could spare a little time to go back to my past arguments, you will realised that I did made it clear that I don't know any past records of Aldo Ajou and I was just commending him for his recent promise.

As for the analogy of Palestinian people, I did use it to challenge those who still dream of John Garang as the only person who can take care of Southern Sudanese affairs.

Mangok Kuac has a point in the sense that we have to hold Aldo Ajou accountable to his promises. Not only him a lone but those still feel that Aweil is a favorable ground where they can dump their vague promises.

I personally have nothing with SPLA/M as a movement but with individuals who are using this movement as engine to enrich themselves at the expense of innocents citizens. You will never see me condemning our patriotic gentlemen in uniform but these monsters who are draining every single coin in the name of the movement.

We constantly accused our past politicians of being dwarf, corrupt not able to deliver but we forgot that these folks were working with the same regime we are not fighting. In the first place, the regime didn't want to do anything good to Southerners and being constrained by that, these folks found it hard to do anything for themselves leave alone Aweil as a whole. Could you Tong Deng go now to Aweil Town and show me valuable assents being owned by this politicians? We are being unfair to them.

Lastly, Tong Deng Anei, are you not convinced at this point that Iam not kind of person that can be swung easily? all these connections that some few of you had been accusing us of like being NIF agents, traitors, Bona's supporters..........etc are not feasible in the ears of those who know us. I was living in Kenya where live was nothing but hell and the gate to Khartoum was openned but never had I dream of going not now when I have something to eat, work and sure of finishing my studies soon that I can turn my back to Aweil people and betray them.

Let me stop here and I will be happy to answer some of your arguments that will come up later.

Have a nice christmass,

Dhor Aher Arol.

mayikaher · Major Contributor

Dear all,

Other than creating a new phase of displaying an arrogance and unsubstantial politics based upon unhelpful groundless arguments. I suppose everybody should understand that it is a moment of truth to find help for this destitute immense majority in Aweil. More importantly, instead of placing ourselves on the road to Deng's Foundation as a roadblock, I think we should collaboratively work and enthusiastically appreciate the potential benefits that project would bring to Aweil people. Awiel as the area which has suffered collosal tragic consequences as result of this long devastating war should find some better ways to deal with issues at hand, such as Lack of proper education for every child in Aweil, lack of qualified teachers for every school that might come to the community in the near future, lack of enough food for everyone, lack of sufficient health facilities for every part of the community, lack of flourishing economic for people to support themselves and other vital projects in Aweil, for instance, parents have to have resources for their kids to go school because most of the schools won't be free, lack of optimism for better futures or tomorrows, and lack of trust among ourselves. These disturbing galling situations and others that I haven't mentioned, I suppose, are the fundamental issues we should all be almost always focusing on and try very hard to find some better strategies to combat each and every issue in a more successful way. Equally important, our enthusiaism to combine our efforts to bring a liberating truth and hope to desperate majority of Aweil is the sole way of achieving better tomorrows for Aweil's people, and moreover, it would be a better way of putting next generations on the road to prosperity.

Another big problem to notice is that, Deng's Foundation and other development projects that are planning to come to Aweil (South Sudan included) have their potential problems, which they are more likely to face.Though I have already mentioned this point in my first paragraph, I would like to reiterate for the sole purpose of clarifying it to those whom their blurred short-sightedness and arrogance couldn't let them see far enough. Mind you, development or reconstruction has never been an easy undertaking, particularly for country like South Sudan which has been destroyed to foundation (the whole land obliterated to be a bare land). The fact that the long devastating war has eroded the economic capacity of our residents in Aweil, I suppose, should be the issue dominating all discussions we have here and everywhere else. The fact that Aweil people at this point won't still be able to take care of their own children in term of paying for their tuitions should those institutions come, I suppose, is what most of us should be predictably dabating and analyzing. Given the current extreme of abject poverty in Aweil. We should ask ourselves this simple question, how would the community be able to pay for the tuition of their children and how would the community be able to maintain the status of those schools so that the kids get a proper and sound education?

More importantly, we should be debating the location of those institutions. These are fundamental questions we should bring to Aldo Ajou's attention. Aweil region being such a vast area and the population is disorderly scattered due to war, what can we do to make sure the institutions meet the need of the entire community? As far the overflow of pupils potentially looking for basic education is concerned, who should stay in the boarding school and who should be in a day school considering the proximity of the pupils to school locations? We are aware that Aweil's people desperately need education for their children, and it is really important to talk to Aldo Ajou about the location of schools and hospitals, or whatever project everybody in his/her capacity is trying to bring to our people. The distribution of a few schools and other facilities at this point is fundamentally important, we want to make sure the schools' objectives are designed in a way that would bring hope back to the entire region. Aweil people deserve every opportunity in their land to benefit from it, and this fundamental fact should be the guiding principle in trying to help this desperate citizens of Aweil. Putting education opportunities in the reach of every kid in Aweil community is vital instrument of combating illiteracy in a more successful way. Time has come for people to think before unrealistically venturing with right things using wrong procedures and steps. Helping such a desperate community requires especial well-thought out strategies and thorough discussion before doing anything. Where will you find qualified teachers to teach kids is not something to be ignored at this difficult time in the phase of reconstruction. Who would pay the qualified teachers remain unaddressed and unanswered by our smart folks in Aweil community. I blieve nobody (Tong Deng Anei included) would tell me where to find qualified teachers and funds to pay them so that the schools achieve it objectives. Mind you, it is more difficult than than some folks here think to be. For Deng's Foundation to fulfill its purpose, it requires a tremendous commitment from the community. We (Aweil people) have to be a strong backup to every institutions or hospitals or clinics that will come to Aweil community in the near future. For instance, this time we are looking for people who would be able to read and understand the medical complications, labels on medicines or health issues and not those who who would smell medicines to determine their effecitivens as it used be in the war time. Is anybody sure where to find medical personnels and who would pay them? Are we blind to see these fundamental problems?

Ladies and gentlemen, the bottomline is that we have to look at important things that would be helpful to this program, or we have to find out what would be the possible impediments to Deng's Foundation. The future of Deng's Foundation largely depends upon Aweil capacity to support it.

"Our objective should be to raise the faculties of our men rather than to complete their prostration." By Alexis Tocqueville.

Peace

Next generation is paramount

Garang Aher

Mabior Isaac · Intermediate Contributor

Dear All:

It has been said that, "No great thing is created suddenly." There is a lot of preparation, work and effort that goes into the process of doing something of value and importance. Mading Awiel Youth (MAYs) accepts responsibility to note and address the high lead readings recorded in the war devastated Awiel. I realise that many in the community feel betrayed and let down by the elders fearing that we have failed to protect the community from intruders and potential enemies. I know this has destroyed trust that the community might have had in me and everyone in our Awiel. I understand that some have even suggested out weakeness because the proponent for the community is within elders and Youth corporate structure. I recognise that sorry is not enough in the eyes of the community burning fire and falling apart, however I personally extremely disappointed that this has happened and I do apologise unreservedly for my failure too to contribute. I am disappointed that we failed to raise the alarm from the beginning when our most braver men joint corrupted movement, but I would like to thanks Mading Awiel of to day for raising the alarm so that the issue can be addressed properly. we have been asking ourselves again and again how this could have happened and whether there is a hazard or action taken to save our people back home. It seems the best answer I can present to you, is that it was a failure of our action to external threats made by other communities. for us to stop that we have to acts against these dominat minority.

Deng Foundation

First of all I would like to apologize that it took me so long to response to some of your questions. I was busy with finals exams in which I am now back to you all. I was reading some of your reactions analysis on Deng Foundation. I was very impress to see most of you were almost with the same idea. the mean facts about Deng Foundation is not yet been known, only the founder of Deng Foundation promised that he himself with his organization are going to take parts in reconsturction. why don't we live pointing our fingers or blaming ourselves until the last day. Together with the community, we need to appoint a consultant to test feeling of our people back home to see how they feel about the unity among Awiel people and community developement. what we thought here might be risk to the community and didn’t take in the implication of the lead figure. My fellow Awiel we need to do more than promises, let's use our action to link our ideas with more work done.

Thanks you

peace be with you all

angelo mangok · Beginner Contributor

RE: Mr. Deng's Foundation 4.

Ateny Wek · Beginner Contributor

RE: Mr. Deng's Foundation.

Kijana Dhor · Intermediate Contributor

Dear Angelo Mangok!

I hope you will do your best to help people of Aweil back home there instead of boring them with your negative campaign against Hon. Aldo Ajou. Just like Ateny Wekdit put it, he hailed from a prominent family in Aweil and if entire Aweil were to stage opposition against his services, then he would be advised to channel it to his vast family.

Otherwise have a safe journey and happy new year to everybody on the board.

Dhor.

mayikaher · Major Contributor

Angelo Mangok!!

I don't really understand why you are so obsessional with Aldo Jou's past political performances. Is he the only man who has failed Aweil community? Would aggressive pursuit of Aldo Ajou, in your opinion, help Aweil past, present, and future problems? Do you think pushing Aldo Ajou away would help us more than bringing him closer to ourselves? Do you think everybody in the South Sudan or in Aweil has opportunities you have here in USA? I don't believe and I will never accept this, collosal error, that Aldo is exclusively responsible for all these problems we are wresting with and therefore he has to be kept away. Do you really have rationality-ability to reason with truth, facts, circumstantial evidence to come to fine conclusion? Do you think it is an appropriate time for us to concentrate exclusively on blaming our politicians/leaders and forget the desperate need of that destitute mulititude of Aweil? Have you ever imagined the illiteracy rate, magnitude of starvation due to scantiness of food, and how many people die annually due to lack of adequate health facilities or medications in Aweil? Mangok, the level of suffering in Aweil or South Sudan, is incredibly a sorry situation. Therefore, I don't see any light cogency in trying aimlessly and naively to persuade people to understand that Aldo Ajou was the worst politician, who had tragically failed us in the past. That is not a convincing argument other than a debilitating illusion and utopianism. Whom do you think would bring help or assistance if we blockade or impede our old politicians, who still feel that they have responsibility to get involved in this situation to help Aweil desperate people?

Angelo Mangok, in my close observation, you are not different from those elements who failed us in the past. Examining your all posts, I have seen that you have no ability to help the desperate masses in Aweil or in South Sudan.

Mangok, since you are going home, I want you to go and do a thorough risk assessment in the entire Aweil area so that we can learn the level of devastation or damage in Aweil community.

My second advice to you is that, I would like you to back off from following Aldo Ajou.

"If you want a blessing, don't fear suffering. The sorrows of individuals today often become the blessings of the future individuals. An individual should leave behind a society individuals in the future can enjoy as well." [unknow source]

Next generation is paramount

peace

Thanks,

Garang Aher

Ateny Wek · Beginner Contributor

Dear Garang and Dhor,

I did not comments on Mangok's concerns, and instead I decided to response to Mabior Issac for the reason that might be obvious to many of you. Mangok criticism of Aldo is personal and sophistry in nature - he does know he himself had no power to prevent Aldo from doing what he had wanted to do. However, he thinks there is a short cut for doing so. Manok, knows that Aldo had his own area and people in Aweil, of which no one can stop him from bringing to his people this services he had intended to bring. Does Manok had anything for people of Aweil better than that of Deng's Foundation? and Whose behalf does he oppose this vital project for? We should not waste our time trying to make him, know differnt between a gift and compaining for political office. Aldo had already served his political term for more than 40 yrs - now he is trying to help, so What is wrong? Oh my God this is jelous again. God save the people of Aweil from this deadly jelousy.

Kind Regards.

Ateny Wekdit

angelo mangok · Beginner Contributor

RE: Mr. Deng's Foundation 5.

Mabior Isaac · Intermediate Contributor

RE: Mr. Deng's Foundation.

Ateny Wek · Beginner Contributor

Dear Mr Mangok,

Though of late, I didn't have any intention to reply your recent massage - since your argument was influenced by the fact that "the power the person had is 'life' ". However, I thought to drop this simple reply. Your assertion that the 'life' is the power is very correct, I must confess, but it is not you alone who rely on life. It is a matter for every person who is alive- therfore the power available to Mr Aldo Ajou to go on with his project, is also life. So, if that is the case, then no losser - by God glory.

Ateny Wekdit

angelo mangok · Beginner Contributor

RE: Mr. Deng's Foundation 6.

Ateny Wek · Beginner Contributor

RE: Mr. Deng's Foundation.

acid anei · Intermediate Contributor

dear angelo mangok and ateny weekdit,

ya guys are wonderful and vital participant of mading aweil discussion board. you always produce vehement point that will build concrete unity among aweilian. your little arguement concerning Mr.Deng Foundation will not enhance us anything at all, rather than fail us in our furure.

as far as knowlege concern, Mr. aldo ajou deng has done less to help aweil community during his time in politics. we should not turn our back and negect this friutful project that will help aweil because of his past experience. i decide to welcome Mr. Deng Foundation despire the fact that it will not cause any problem in aweil. please let stop argument and change the topic

with peace and love

awach anei