Can we resolve the difference among us

udele · Beginner Contributor

Can we resolve the difference among us

Abraham Awolich · Beginner Contributor

Udele,

I welcome the topic it is justified for discussion. One reason being, discussions bring things to light and at the same time bring them close to a resolution or a complete resolution if I will. The problem you are alluding to is pervasive all over the United States, Canada, Khartoum, at home in South Sudan, in Nairobi, Kampala, Australia and almost everywhere.

When I visited some states here in the US, I found that tensions between those that came through Cairo and those that came through Nairobi were up. They termed themselves some as the lost boys who are the Anya nya, and those that came through Khartoum were called the Black Arabs, Khartoumers, or terrorists. When I heard of this, I was shocked and called those around me to do something about it really quick.

Those of us who are bearing traditional marks in the forehead and those that have their lower jaw teeth removed were referred to have disabled. So those kinds of things are happening and when you look at them closely, you will find that it is absolute ignorance. Why not we take time to study ourselves and be ready to find commonalities and work through the bridges of friendships. We should break all the barriers of misunderstanding, suspiciousness, isolation and mistrust. We all are products of the same tragedy (war), products of the same parent (South Sudan), and products of the same experience (Diaspora). So why not we raise the flag of brotherhood and sisterhood high up and rally around it? Why not we appreciate the fact that we have survived the trauma, the atrocities, and the death traps of war together?

So I called up on all my brothers and sisters to forget those humiliating nicknames we are giving to ourselves and work together for our common good. Those minor differences will not and can not divide us. We are Southerners and we have been displaced by our archenemy period.

Thank you all

Awolich de Nyuat

Atem · Beginner Contributor

Hey guys,

Thanks to my beloved brother Udele,for raising this crucial topic. Actually, i have heard many guys complaining over this issue several times. It really sounds incredible, i can't imagine that disintergration exist among the remnants of southern Sudan. What benefit can we gained from giving each other insulting names for instance lost boys or any-anya, terrorists? To start with, the guys ( you sarcastically called lost boys ) were given this name for a very special reason if not important, that you will never know if you are not among them, and that you don't deserve it. For whoever who doesn't know, who these important people are, be informed that these are the radical sign of Southerners ( SPLM MOVEMENT ) without them there would have been no comprehensive peace signed on 9th of this month. To be honest, i feel disappointed and offended when someone make fun of "jesh el amer".

On the hand, i feel sympathetic when our brothers and sisters are called terrorists. I believe not many, if there are few who are patriotic to arabs or central government, and if that was the case then they would have not seek refuge in diaspora as anya-nya or lost people did. Despite the fact that they think, any-anya or lost boys are uncivilized, disadvantaged, we don't need to despise them or looked down upon them, they are our people. They might not know what they meant.

Always remember a man who suffered and died because liberation is worth than a man who lived a luxuriously but a slave. Our freedom fighters in front line put on patched clothes and walk bear footed no medication, clean water, food and good shelter. And people in western countries put on expensive clothes, shoes, cars, medication that is hiring your own doctor and even a laywer. Who is better???????????????????????????????????????????????????

Togather we stand, apart we fall.

We should be unify.

Kuei

-- Edited by Kuot Kuot at 19:21, 2005-01-24

santino Ajith · Major Contributor

Dear bro. Fidele Mareng,

First and foremost, welcome my brother to Aweil public forum, the venue for Awelians and friends. I hope you met all your long friends or how? Please feel homely and share your ideas with brothers and sisters herein.

I took this momentous time to thank you for this crucial topic you brought up for public. This topic is very important and worth to be discuss as Abraham Awolich and Catherine Kuei put it across. Without any hesistation, I agreed with them that the topic is vital and ought to be discuss thoroughly if we southerners have that sense of nationalism, brotherly and sisterly regardless of our previous topography. A true citizen should not mock his brother or her sister for what seem be clear to him/her. We are all citizens of southern sudan and we need to highly respect ourselves regardless of where we emerged from. Our common enemy is Arab.

For my own opinion, I think we should find some common grounds to solve our long stand differences within us. The early, the better. This tension between us can grow worse later on than it is now if we underestimate it. This notion of being first class citizens perceive by others has to be gotten rid of. Like Abraham Awolich said, this issue is highly practiced in USA more than in any other countries and it bewildered me a lot. In short, we need to unite together and work in collaboration to rebuild our ravaged homeland southern sudan.

Dear all

Let us put more energy on this topic so that we can put away this act of humilating ourselves. There is no need of degrading ourselves for no apparent reason. There waits a huge task a head of us and we cannot overcome it if we hold this gap between us.

Once again, thank Mareng for this topic. I will put my inputs in later on. I am kind of busy now and much has been said by Abraham Awolich and Catherine Kuei. I embraced this topic very much and I wish all southerners have access to Mading Aweil discussion board so that we can exhaust it here right away and start a new path. Stay in touch.

Lastly, I would like to welcome Catherine Kuei to Mading Aweil discussion board as we always welcome our new comers. Her contribution together with other sisters' contributions who are already here will play a significant role to our forum. We want Mading Aweil discussion board to be an egalitarian website/community.

Applause

Santino Bol Ajith

-- Edited by santino Ajith at 01:14, 2005-01-23

Kuot Kuot · Major Contributor

Dear Kuei Atem,

Let me grab this chance to welcome you to the board and to the so called "Western W." It is imperative that the number of Aweil girls interested in major issues of the day is gradually increasing. You will hopefully like it here as you will no doubt meet most of the people you once knew. Once again, welcome to the board. Best wishes

Kuot Kuot.

Jackson anei · Beginner Contributor

man, short **** UP,WE ARE NOT OPEN THIS WEBSITE FOR POLCAITLY,WE ARE OPEN COMMUNITION BETWEEN US IS NOT BETWEEN DIFFERENCE AM ONG US.

I DID SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMONG US.

JACKSON ANEI

udele · Beginner Contributor

Dear brother jackson Anei,

I think an apprehension is the best tool for the progress of the organisation but contempt and misunderstanding are the worse pitfalls.

I was not quite impressed by your reaction to the top under discussion, why should you ejaculated into the top with an indignition, what expects if the topic does not satisfied the standard required is an advice.

More so if the website is for "communition" as you said " I think you were refering to communication in this case" then the communication should encompass our political,social and spiritual life unless you are completely oblivious of this issue under discussion.

Furthermore, if you were correcting my grammatical errors, then word "among" I think if i'm not wrong is perfectly placed in the syntax to refer to what is happening within the group of people and between just two people if I were to explain the meaning of my grammatical usage.

Lastly I thanks whoever have seen the negatives and positives part of the topic and I really appreciation your surps contribution.

Thanks old chaps

Fidele mareng

Mabior Isaac · Intermediate Contributor

Dear Fidele

Your topic has legitimates motives for all Mading Awiel or Aweil folks to discuses it. I don’t see what impel Jackson Anei to indisputable squabble. I credence this time for all Awiel folks to put out all the variation among themselves. Let’s have common ground where our ideas fight for the modification of new Awiel.

Catherine

Welcome Catherine and feel at home lass, I am so electrify with your words, your words are potent and convincible, I pledge you have already said what I want to say.

Thank you for your words

Isaac Mabior Ngang Amol

acid anei · Intermediate Contributor

dear all,

i think this is scorching topic that need a lot of time and efford to disscusion it. also, we better not term it as aweil only but let disscusion it as broad south sudan.

catherine atem

welcome the board, your present and contribution is overwhelming joy to aweil. i really appreciate your input of above topic. all your words were full of unity and convince advised.

thanks

awach anei

santino Ajith · Major Contributor

Hi Awach Anei

What's up dude? I hope life is treating you well down there as it does to me here. I just want to say, welcome to the board my brother though it had taken quite a while to welcome you to Mading Aweil discussion board. I was extremely busy and I didn't find a spare time to do so. Thank for enormous contribution to the forum.

As per this topic, I think you are right and I agreed with you because it belong to all southerners as you said but we also need to start at our home and spread it out gradually. Yeah, it need a lot of time and effort but we can overwhelmingly exhaust it if we pull our gears together. These diffferences within the southerners exist and will still exist if we failed to solve them. For my own opinion, I think we can resolve them now than leaving them to grow worse.

Eventually, I would like to thank the author of this article once again and all the members who have contributed unanimously.

Kind Regards

Santino Bol Ajith

acid anei · Intermediate Contributor

dear santino bol ajith,

thank for your overwhelming welcome, it's not too late. i'm quite ok, only weather is getting wild here. we almost been burial by snow last weekend about 12" high that forks never drive their car in two days.

once again, i'm not controversy the topic, but we should not finger point particular communties. i agree with all your advised and arguement concerning the topic. but can anyone highlight the exact caused of this disintegration. we can not accomplish the unite we deserve if we really don't know the exact caused of disintegration among us. in cased "terrorist and black arabs" i never hear or pronounce it, they really bad terms to be used again your own brothers. i never also feel insecure to be call "lost boy" i deserve this name. anyone will not understand, unless who experience it.

lastly, be strong and concentration on your business, because not every south sudanese is spla members.

incase of community don't take chance, but take action.

thanks

awach anei

didhan · Beginner Contributor

Hi ! Mareng, this is your old friend taking this very tiny time to pass some salutation to you. I hope you are doing good and have a purifying health down in Australia. I am much well and doing good here in USA.

Sometimes, things don,t happened the way one's need them. the topic you reached earlier this week did put much energy on me. fews day ago I spent much of my time trying to answer to the issue, unfortunately my work didn't go through for some reasons with the system.

It is a prevailing issue and I have agree that we all need to look into this destructive scandal within Aweil people.

Anyway, there is no much I could comment right now, but to say hello to my old friend.

Thanks.

Fidele Diing

udele · Beginner Contributor

Hi my Name,

I Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your sincere greetings, I'm alive and kicking ma old chap.

My chance of meeting you on this board put me into a big reminiscence of our previous life in Ethiopia, Can you remember how we used to gang against Ajeng Macher for his brutal and discriminative selection for that bloody work, sometimes I just laugh if I flashbacked on how you ran a buse on him when we are angered by his action," Ati Nhom cete kaarcuk atete", sorry man I didn't know how to write "Thong monyjang".

Anyway it is nice communicating with you again my friend.

As pertaining the top, know man, people are really ****ed up and so donot mind of not participating in it.

thanks

yrs Fidele mareng

Atem · Beginner Contributor

RE:Top appreciation to Ateny Wek's family

Deng Dicktor · Beginner Contributor

RE: Can we resolve the difference among us

udele · Beginner Contributor

Hi Ahok Atem,

Am very glad to meet you on this discussion board, thank to those who were responsible for the inauguration of this webesite to act as converging point to old friends,colleaques and relatives who are scattered in the heart of the western world.

Join us girl, we are very proud of you and I hope with all your sheer determination you will be one of the most successful people in life in future. How are your studies over there in Canada?

More so your comments on the Ateny's Wek family is of the utmost important to us because this is one of the family that has demonstrated an element of role model for us (Awiel community), and I hope no doubt that you people who are knowledgable of the significant of the educated family will strived to have such a family in time to come.

Finally, I have really appreciated your superb contribution on the top and hope to meet you once again on this board.

Good luck with your studies and take care .

Thanks

Fidele Mareng .

didhan · Beginner Contributor

Dear friends, I means Mareng and Deng Athiang.

It seems like we have life experience which will not just faded away. I talked to Deng Athiang and he too reminded me about our life in Ethiopia. He appreciated both of us for helping him tackling mr. chol moung, if you could recall. Mr chol was Deng's line corporal or ukil arip and you just reminded me of ma nhom karcok,the tyrant caawich of which you have just describe his actions on us. could you also recall how we use to sneaked out after lunch from that shiftmake shelter to avoid being rotated back to bushes for thin pole or agueer and to cut some grass. man, we endured a lot of mistreatments, but thank God we made it as a group of three young brave kids.

could you also rcall How I and Dhal Malouth were punished by utsaz Ring Deng. Dhal was made to ran infront of group's parade and he himself cane Dhal, and for my case, I was sent to new football field between first pinyido and second pinyido to dug out ten rocks each weight of about 150-300 or above that as a punishment of refusing to pounded some maize at my turn-that was by Ring act.

How was Chol Machiek, the cuortha or a man who come running after you with big cane, hiting you on the back or butt when you don't run for parade.

I will not forget Bol baar, this very kind man from bor who love people like he love himself. i kept thinking of him to survive this devastating war. i am hopping to meet him sometimes in my life.

We have few common things that we will not forget in our live, and you know what iam talking about.

Here is my e-mail address for two of you.

fidelediing@msn.com feel free and write to me using this email.

Thanks

Fidele Diing

Atem · Beginner Contributor

Hey Mareng,

Thanks for welcoming me to this fantastic discussion board. What happened to your real name Mareng, how did it change to Udele?? I never realized it was you who posted the topic.

Am getting on well with studies. How about yours?

Ahok

udele · Beginner Contributor

Oh! Ahok,

Sorry girl, I didn't mean to confuse people like you who don't know the name Udele, I apologised for that mistake.

Ma name have not real changed from Mareng to Udele but, the name "Udele" is from my Christain name" Fidele" and because most of ma dogs use my nick-name Udele instead of Fidele, I opted to register with it.

Academically, am going on well with ma course although, sometimes things are quite challenging but I have to put up with them and try my best

Otherwise thank alot for your message and wishing you successful studies.

Also pass my regards to your friends.

thanks

Fidele Mareng

Deng Santo · Beginner Contributor

Dear udel and Ahok,

Thank you for complimenting Ateny Wekdit family. This is a very examplery family to all of us. Thank you Ateny Wek and your family, you are and example to us.

Aweilism is my starting point.

Atem · Beginner Contributor

Hi Mareng,

Thanks man, i got it now. when you talk of having some few problems at school i hundred percent understand what you meant. Say hey to Australians.

Enjoy yourself.

Ahok

Dave Mayen · Beginner Contributor

Dear Fadely,

First and foremost I would like to thank my country mate for the vital topic he raised last week, due to the certain circumstances pertaining treated me hard. it has put me off to comment on topic under discuss intime, however, I,m going to use this spare time for today.

Further, I would like to advise my friend Udely to add monitoring as part of his studies, you really observed what is dwelling among those who came from Kenya and Egypt as well, thus, in our State here Adelaide- South Australia they have categorised themselves into two groups.

Those boys who came from Kenya called themselves KE=Group and those from Egypt EG=Group these two groups fought always whenever, there is Sudanese party even today in our SPLA/M chapter meeting which we are going to have party on 12th Feb, 05. their cases were raised and committee were caution about that, Inaddition, as historians says proud where you come or you belong I myself sometimes feel furious when those of EG-group term us uncivilised and proud for themselves Arabic influnt and having brought up in town compare to those lost Boys whereby their three-quarters drunk urine to surived on their way to Ethiopia and the same time when Pachalla was recapture by the INF, these case was discussed in our state especially elders lead by Maciek Ajang Alank. Summoned meeting for all Sudanese concerning segregation among they boys. Thus one of the boy who came from Cario said that during, unless those who came from Kenya avoid Kiswahili and Kenyans song during party, immediately, another boy from KE-Group also mentioned that EG=Group called themselves ''negers'' and of most they negers in the world speak only English not rather naked Arabic which will take themselves nowhere consequensely, they will end their studies in ELS. and the quote end.

Eventually, I advise whoever have clue about this to try and emulate whatever he/she thinks specially those in Western Countries to put his effort to avoid this as says goes, ''let sleep dog lies'' and ''empty vesel makes more noise''. Let do what we can to let both end meet.

Dear Jackson,

Mareng has really, ''hit the nails on it head'' howvever, reread his under discuss topic and comment, according to my basic fair of understanding you didn't understood him, hence, take it easy and go back to read the beginning of the topic, Inaddition say hi to Makuei Diangbar and tell me which state in USA he resides now.

Fadely Dhan, we really struggled my friend when I went through your message to your groupmates I flashback what happened to us when we were almost to received the confirmation the following on 28th Jan, 1991.and we were order to go for thin pole and fire wood, and our teacher told us that if God were great why don't he comes for Sudanese suffering? We were to miss that chance as it was for God we got that golden with alot of vain, finally God is great we shall meet face to face one day one time to chat together pertaining our past events.

With regard and cheers,

Dave Meyen.

Manoi Athian Manoi · Beginner Contributor

Hi Fidele & friends!

Thank you for bring this self-oriented destructional topic to the public. It is one of the most crucial issues that worth our immediate attention and a quick plan to come up with its remedy. I am not sure if this topic was mentioned in the Aweil conference that took place about three months ago in Kansas city, USA. Fortunately, there are a good number of Mading Aweil families and families from everywhere else, which have come to the "West" and I am sorry to say that unfortunately, their relation with the so called "koc hong" or bushmen, to use your word, is not at all smooth, at least, most of the time.

We seriously ought to first discuss it collectively, just as we are doing. After this step, the next move is the most difficult one, but also the most succeessful one. And that is "action." We can talk about it come rain come sun, but with no tangible plan of action from our most valuable organ - - the heart, we cannot win this war. First, individually, we must find out and recognize the problem. Then we must initiate methods of approach. We must find some ways of how to address this erosional problem.

I, for one, think that the thickest line between the "insiders" and "outsiders" is education. It this is thing that is being driven in two vehicles in the name of jealousy and un/civilization. Most of our brethren who came from "within" seem to tell us that they are far ahead of us in the name of civilization, that is, city life, dressing styles, ability to converse or articulate "properly" in Arabic, their knowledge of the Arabs and the Arab world, their families, among many others. While the "bushmen" think that they are "true" liberators, the brave, the experienced, the nationalists, and most of all, the carries of the western pen, i.e, education in the tongue of th language of England. My brothers and sisters, as far as we continue to allow ourselves to be pulled apart by our dissimilarities, I expect we will not find a common ground very soon, which is what we need.

But isn't the best education seen or recognized in humility, service, and understanding issues and how to approach them? If this is true, then, We must build bridges between these two poles. First, let us do it individually. Approach your room mates or your neighbours or your school mates and explain to them our differences as well as our similarities. Next, say how to work around these two points for our common good. At the end, we shall finally smoothen our two seems in the public conferences by making it a topic to talk of. Since those who came to the west through Nairobi outnumber those who came via Cairo or so, I would ask the former to take the first step of mending our fence. I admit that this is a tough challenge, but I am also optimistic that it is a cause we must win for our mutual survival as one people and as one nation. Once again, thanks to all.

M.A.M

Aquoll · Beginner Contributor

Dear all,

I appreciate your concerns and views with regard to this divisive tendency which was created by all situations we didn't choose to make. This propensity is potentially dangerous to our progress and is also an obstacle to the help our people back home need us to give them. These situations came or occurred due to all unfortunate circumstances brought by unmerciful war. These situations in fact divided South Sudan people into a variety of groups given the nature of that war and it would be dangerous if we concentrate on them. To remind you, I am saying this with assertion that nobody made a voluntary choice to go to Egypt or Kenya or Kampala or London. All was involuntary compelling situation caused seemingly by insurmountable disturbing circumstances created by the long war. And if all of us (with no regard to our directions of international migrations) would view it in this perspective, I think we won't be misled to overlook our commonalties and important traditions/values as well as prosperous futures we can possibly obtain if we unify our spirits. Also all things we have acquired or achieved and not basically received from our wealthy parents or relatives, I believe, are what the most unfortunate brothers and sisters, who didn't have opportunity or acces to civilization or Arabic or English require us to give them. But this can't happen under the existing circumstances. For it to happen and be able to give them (the most disadvantaged) help requires a sense of humility and discretion or proper judgement. All different capacities we have acquired have people that need them to survive and create their own abilities in our communities. Thus the advice I would give to everybody (irrespetive of our directions of migration) is to adapt the sense of humbleness and tolerance to these minute unhelpful differences. It doesn't make sense at all to concentrate on differences we didn't choose to make. Whether you are civilized or uncivilized or uneducated or educated or English speaker or Arabic speaker. Time has come to educate the uneducated, to civilized the uncivilized, to non English speakers English, to teach non-Arabic speakers Arabic and the list goes on and on. Anything you have is for the advantage of your people who didn't have such opportunities you have acquired in foreign countries or in better places in Khartoum or Nairobi or Kampala. It is a crucial time and I urge everybody to realize this fact and adapt a better strategy to be able to accommodate your brother or sister weakness and deficiencies. Everyone must adapt tolerant philosophy to be able to tolerate the problems of your brother or sister. As I maintain we didn't choose voluntarily to have opportunity to go Egypt to learn or civilize nor was a voluntary choice to go to Kenya to learn English or was a voluntary choice for those who stayed in the bush for twenty two years. It was all brought by intolerable dangerous circumstances within Sudan prior to the creation of this body, Spla/m

Dear Mareng Makuei,

You have brought up a very important topic. The topic is far more important than other topics because the sharp division it poses is threatening our future plans and foundations for the next posterities.

But this topic has deficiencies and obstacles. Why? Because the topic is being debated by one side only and this won't help us solve the differences. For it to be productive and achieve constructive outcomes, both sides must be available to debate the issue and be able to bring solutions. My point is that debating isn't bad but it won't reach the intended objective. For us to reach a "creative middle way" for this issue. Both sides should debate it:Kenyans and Egyptans as they called themselves.

Have a nice time folks,

Thanks,

Aquoll Piezometric

Cop · Beginner Contributor

Hello folks,

Udele, so you called us, those who coined your name up, the "dogs"? Hahaha...I am Just kidding buddy. I know that analogy. This is all about old memories, though. Do you still remember when we called almost everybody a U-something in the soccer's field? Yeah, you, Deng-dicktor and I among other colleagues, used to coin up some names such as:

Udele (yours).

Ugai (Magai Makuei).

Upar/Ufar (Mading Chan).

Udok (Deng Nyuon).

Ugeng (Garang Maker).

Ukang (Kaang Majak), and many others. Anyway, I was just excited for the U-thing.

As for the the topic, yes, we need to discourage any different wrong perception, notion, arrogance, self-promotion, and classic mentality kind of, among us, and then put sympathy, patientness, kindness, politeness, humble, generosity, honesty and good will in place. Doing just that, I suppose more understanding will be among us, or else we will be harming our poor folks like myself, a common man, a lot. The whole thing along the line though, is that let's not think big of our-own-selves. We need equality. Be displaced from Khartoum, Middle East, Eastern Africa, pan de jieŋ or muɔnyjäŋ, still we're all equal displaced Sudanese. Therefore, again, we need equal treatment everywhere we're taking refuge, for we are all equal in the land of the black, the Sudan.

Simply put, the classic mentality we're borrowing from other cultures, the mentality I am all against it.

Thanks,

Cop

-- Edited by Cop at 10:58, 2005-02-02