You don't necessarily have to be a professional in your ministry. Ministers are appointed regardless of their field of expertise. Nevertheless, Commanders wanted to be assured by Garang that their positions are not snatched by doctors who spent most of their time educating themselves outside Sudan. Of course he assured them that he was not going to dump them, rather they would still maintain the positions they held before peace. That is where Kuol Manyang comes into being. He was the SPLA treasurer before peace and the mandate as laid out by Garang grants him the position of minister of Finance. The question we should rather ask or be concerned with is whether he has the ability in carrying out the duties of the finance minister. For me, Kuol is the most uncorrupt guy I have known in the SPLA. He is strict to the rules and would most likely bring you to justice if you mess with national funds. If we are in the verge of preventing corruption, then he is the man best suited for the job. If you have other candidates in mind, you are free to nominate them and we can discuss later one by one. Have a nice week. 

Yes, important positions should always be to given John's Garang loyalists, friends and tribemen because they are more capable than far distant people.

Garang Aher

You should also ask what position did John Garang gave to Nyandeng Mabior?

Santino Ajith

Hi Mabul Won awalanda:

Thank you indeed for your negative reactions to my topic. But , there is something so ironic here, brother, you mentioned that Kuol Manyang was  a  treasurer, post and present of the movement. He might have been a treasuring your district finance but, not SPLA'S.Pay attention! dude how can a high commander engaging in the comatment manage to supervise that  financial  in  the movement when the soldiers went bar footed and half naked .   For example, no uniforms , boots and  barely food for some days,especially in front line , particularly Kapoeta .I witnessed that in 1991,to mention few. You are now revealing the hidden agenda.

Furthermore,amazingly, you said , Mr. Juuk, was warded that position for being prominent combatent and strict one in administration.Again, you defensively, said that Garang ,did it purposely to block abroad doctrate holders.Do you want to tell me that Iowa where De Mabior, received his doctrate was Bor town? I  now , realize how callous and ignoramus, you bor  folks are.You do not care about others ability and wisedom etcetra, in any fields of professions.

For christ sake , who is or was   the most valor  and  successful  commander in spla, Mangok, Nyuon bany, Deng Aguang, Peing ,uyai or George Kuach? I did not realise his strictness  during Ngun Deng rampant contend in late 90s. For me,  he totally  does not have  any right to have medal .Late nyuon, Mayardit and Hon Deng Majok as well as uyai should   merit that in case of awards.

Frankly, as a strict  security guard, he  deserves sherif post or car mechanic administration not financial   ministery.You are so unblushing to say that appointment does not have prerquisite. It really does in modern world's  democratic  government  unless in bor classic   dynasty or mornachy  government. Man ! I wish   I  could talk to you verbally in details about crooked ness of movement in your uncles' hands.

Iam ready for  more  reverse reactions. Bring them on.

Peace !

Tino.

 

Dear all

 

I hope everybody is doing well as usual. I have been out of this board for awhile and I am glad to visit Mading Aweil website once again today. I have read the present topic about Commander Kuol Manyang and I can say the whole thing is lie (not from the writer but the source) because I was with many people including Commander Kuol in Rumbek and there was nothing like that. I left Rumbek on Saturday may be it was done after me. There are some interesting things coming up in Rumbek regarding the GOSS which I assumed they can be good for you to know. I will write one page brief summary about Rumbek once I have time but not about the current topic.

 

 

Once again greetings and have a nice time.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Tong Deng

Tino and Deng Santo,

Let me know when you guys are ready for a constructive discussion and I will be right there with you.

Kuol was the financial officer of the movement but that does not mean that he kept money. We all know that SPLM does not have money of its own todate. You can be a financial officer without money to take care of. So those who went barefooted, no khakis etc where that way because there was no money to buy boots and khakis. Haven't we all been relying on foreign aid for over 21 years?

I did not say Garang gave Kuol the position of Finance minister in order to block doctors from elsewhere. Kuol had that position before and by virtue of the Rumbek meeting (read the minutes) the commanders complained to Garang about threats to their positions and Garang assured them that he was not going to replace anyone. So Kuol has to remain in his former position.

Kuol has never been a security guard. Find more about him.

Saying that each minister should be an expert in his field is as bogus as saying that important positions are going to Bor guys. Ministry of finance is not the only important position among the ministries. For sure defence is the best ministry so far. Let's wait and see who heads it. But again if we go buy your criterion of having experts as ministers in their respective field of expertise, what ministries will Awet Akot, Salva Mathok, Lual Diing Wol etc lead? Obviously some of them would end up in their luaks as they would probably fall short of being called experts!

But the reality is ministers are appointed and they do not necessarily have to be experts in their ministries. Hence you should not be surprised to see a whole mix of experts and non experts, university graduates and high school drop outs, veteran politicians and amateur politicians taking up ministerial seats. Just watch and you will concur with me that what I am saying is true. It happens everywhere even right here in the west. No miracles!

    

 

Mayom Bul

Like Garang Aher said, your argument is indeed correct and convicing to some sort of understading only. Why? Because John Garang had been dishonest and he is still dishonest update to southerners. Can his records be defended, yes by the inner circle and by the few people who think that he is the right man and no by the vast majority of southerners who lost total trust on him. 21 years of struggle is enough to know what kind of a person is John Garang and what kind of leadership would he pursue in south sudan. Majority of southerners are heavily unhappy about  his governing and therefore worry a lot about the situation south sudan will under go within the next six years self-governing if left unquestion.

Financial minister is not the only important position in any government but we fear since the order of nomination in south sudan always favors one tribe and sycophants. May be the remaining posts will shift to a different direction than you actually think of. My fellow countryman, let us be honest and sincere to each other instead of defending the records which were spoiled the owner. I have no doubt in my mind that Kuol Manyang wouldn't be a good person to handle the nation fund, my fear is on selection of the remaining positions because they might go to the same direction as it is always nature of John Garang when it come to appointments of civil workers/administrators. Garang Mabior will be a good leader only if he turns in to a new  leaf otherwise mistrusting will grow worser than the present one.

"Kuol would still hold the place even if the movement was headed by an equatorian" I agreed with you because of his strictness, straightness and patriotism but you have to agree with me that he is not the only competent one among SPLA commanders. There are many other commanders. What we need is a fair distribution of power and resources among all the southerners.

"If we go by your criterion of having experts as ministers in their respective field of expertise, what ministries will Awet Akot, Salva Mathok, Lual Diing Wol etc lead?" Yes they will end up in Luaks because their educated brothers of Bhar el Gazal such as Bol Akok had been weeded out by the man we trust most to be a true leader. Mayom, there are still many other educated people from BEG although many of them have been prouned out. Few examples are Salva Kir, Garang Riiny, Bona Malual, Nhial Deng Nhial, Madiing Deng Kuol, Arthur Achuein Chol, and the list is endless.

To pick it up from here next time.

Thanks

Santino Ajith

-- Edited by santino Ajith at 08:04, 2005-03-02

Tino,

You sounded reasonable went this post appreared on the board, but now your post took different turn (hate compaign against Bor). Anyway I will contribute in your post by concurring with others that ministries are not given according to qualification. However appointing ministers in South Sudan like other countries should base on what one can do better and that draw me close to your first judgement about Kuol Manyang Juuk. I personally aggreed with you that Kuol can handle defend or technological department better than finace.

To administrators of MADB:

For other people who are not from Aweil to be comfortable with Mading Aweil Public Discussion board, it would be ok to let those who want to conspire against others use private forum if at all there reasons for it. I am just advising if you could encourage healthy debate for us all; but if I interferred with one of this forum's objectives, then I ask you for forgiveness.

Thanks and have a great day

Simon Garang

Garang Aher,

Thanks. I like the way you have addressed the issue. One thing we have to be careful with is not to jump to conclusions because we do not what is cooking in Rumbek. It is wise to wait and see whether there is anything to be furious about or if our mistrust of John Garang should be reversed. I am sure he is not the sole person picking his ministers and other civil servants. His vice presidents too have a hand in this long awaited appointment. Let's just wait.

Santino Ajith,

You have taken what I said out of context. I was following the rule set forth by Tino and applied it on other potential people who may be given some ministerial posts.But let me answer your response to what you have quoted. The killing of intellectuals, prominent and veterant politicians had no boundaries. You should do your own research to find out more about those who were eliminated in other regions or Bor in particular. Do not get shocked!

Tino,

All I can tell you is that you will never be satisfied unless your homeboy is given such a position.

Simon Garang and moderators,

Simon has a valid point about the comfortability thing. If non Aweil members were welcome for constructive discussion then the same thing is expected of Aweil members. The issue is making this board a conducive place for every member. I have seen a couple of people going astray yet no one, not even those who claim to be moderates, tell these guys to recheck their stances! Maybe this is the way forward.